MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - guygamps

If you configure your own MINI, starting with a Cooper SD and add various options and packs, what kind of lead time are you looking at these days? If I ordered a car in October would I get it before XMAS?

Thanks

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - SteveLee
Why would you want to give money the the German company who asset stripped and dumped Britain's last volume car manufacturer? Shame on you.
MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - RobJP

On subject : It all depends on order volumes at present. You're now hitting a quiet time for new car sales between now and Xmas, so I'd imagine your chances are reasonable. Best thing though is to go into a dealership, and simply ask the question. If they've got a free slot just about to go into production, then it could be as little as 3-4 weeks.

Not on subject, but a reply to the first reply : I think the people most responsible for the demise of MG/BL/Rover are the unions. Ever had a read of the historical news section on HJ classics ? It makes for a damning indictment. Maybe you expect it would have been reasonable of BMW to allow Rover to just continue to bleed them dry, year after year.

That's how governments work. Private businesses are a little different. You make a profit, or you eventually go bust. The unions never actually grasped that fact.

Maybe you would have preferred Rover to be in 'public ownership'. In other words, bleeding all the taxpayers of the UK dry. Like they used to do in the old BL days.

In addition, virtually all models of the Mini are built in the UK. I believe the Countryman is built in Austria or Germany.

A final note : If you've got nothing useful to say, and just want to chew on bile, then feel free. However, this is a forum where people usually try to be helpful.

Why would you want to give money the the German company who asset stripped and dumped Britain's last volume car manufacturer? Shame on you.

Saying 'shame on you' for a person wanting to buy a make of car ?

Maybe the name should be 'ComradeStalin' instead of 'SteveLee'

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - dadbif
I agree with Steve, our entire Motor Industry has been sold off, but we must not blame the purchasers, the blame is with the feckless governments and their lackeys who sold out motor and steel industries.
Traitors...
On topic, minis are an oversized abomination.
MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - jc2

A triumph of form over function!

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Wackyracer

Just ask your local dealer what the delivery time is for the car. That is what I did and they told me all I needed to know.

As for buying a foreign car, There is no such thing as a British car now. Just foreign cars built here in the UK.

I agree that unions and 'red Robbo' was to blame for some of the demise of BL but, In fairness, If they actually produced a good car that people wanted to buy, It could have still sold many more cars.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - skidpan

When the wife bought a Mini the delivery time varied from dealer to dealer. We used the dealer with the shortest time, and he gave use the TLC free.

Looking at stock cars is a waste of time. They are always packed full of stupid extras that cost a fortune and are worth nothing when you come to sell it.

Basically there are far better cars out there than the Mini for much less money. IMHO only buy one if there is absolutely nothing else out there that suits your needs.

As for BL there was no single cause for its demise. All manufacturers had unions to deal with but the management at the time was hopeless and the cars equally so. Even when they had sorted out the union issues and introduced better cars the company still failed. Guess the public came to realise that sticking a union jack on an Indian made Tata was just a con and gave up on the brand especially when there were much better cars out there.

The last BL car I bought was in 1978, unreliable and rusty, bought new and kept 2 years. Dad bought a new Rover in 1987. Never let him down but rusty at 3 years old. Even then he was happy to buy another Rover but the local dealer did not want the old one in PX despite being bought from him and serviced by him from new. The site is now a fitness clu and Pizza Hut.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - madf

Anyone who blames BMW for Rover's demise needs to read some history, learn to understand basic sums and drive a Rover 800, an Allegro and a City Rover - all pants...

Try reading this briefing note and recant...:-) tinyurl.com/nmaorqm

Edited by madf on 29/09/2014 at 14:32

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Andrew-T

They are always packed full of stupid extras that cost a fortune and are worth nothing when you come to sell it.

Basically there are far better cars out there than the Mini for much less money. IMHO only buy one if there is absolutely nothing else out there that suits your needs.

The extras may be worth little at resale, but a glance at A-T shows that Minis hold value pretty well. Regardless of whether the Mini is a 'good car', or whether more than a few have oil-consumption problems.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - alan1302
I agree with Steve, our entire Motor Industry has been sold off, but we must not blame the purchasers, the blame is with the feckless governments and their lackeys who sold out motor and steel industries. Traitors... On topic, minis are an oversized abomination.

The blame goes with the companies that sold themselves - not the government. If a company builds good quality cars at good prices people will buy them BL and Rover had a lot of trouble doing that so they went out of business.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Avant

SWMBO has had five Minis in succession and I think they've all taken 6 to 8 weeks, built to order. The current one is a 2012 model, and it's possible that lead times may be a little longer for the new model.

This thread isn't about the merits or otherwise of BL / Austin Rover, or even of Minis, so let's stick to the point.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Andrew-T

This thread isn't about the merits or otherwise of BL / Austin Rover, or even of Minis, so let's stick to the point.

No, but it always comes up if someone enters the word Mini .... :-)

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - KB.

SWMBO has had five Minis in succession and I think they've all taken 6 to 8 weeks, built to order. The current one is a 2012 model, and it's possible that lead times may be a little longer for the new model.

This thread isn't about the merits or otherwise of BL / Austin Rover, or even of Minis, so let's stick to the point.

Surely almost every topic on this, and almost every other forum, has a tendency to included incidental comments...which sometimes go completely off topic...but which often simply add interest to the discussion. It happens here every day but I don't see the big stick coming out on each and every one. Avant's advice re. lead times is exactly what the OP wants to know but the additional comments from owners and others give advice and food for thought to those less familiar with the modern Mini.

I used to work on the original Minis, changing subframes and gearboxes, it was one of my first weekend jobs after leaving school, so the development of the name 'Mini' from then to now is something that I'm happy to read about and a balanced chat about the brand isn't so dreadful, surely?

Edited by KB. on 30/09/2014 at 12:44

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - daveyjp

I've just been in a new Mini Clubman D. After driving a petrol for 3.5 years I'd forgotten just how noisy small diesels are in the cabin.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Snakey

I like the 'new' BMW Minis, so there.

Ner ner ner-ner ner!

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Avant

Fair comment, KB, and there's nothing wrong with 'thread drift' in principle. As you say, it's a natural progression which normally adds interest.

But mention of British Leyland etc has often been a red rag to quite a lot of bull, and in this case I was hoping to encourage people to give Guy the advice which he was asking for.

Edited by Avant on 01/10/2014 at 01:09

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - KB.

Fair point. And at the risk of more of the same, but in good spirit, I enjoyed each and every one of my Austins and Rovers in the 70's but, as it happens, the garage I worked at had a thriving business, advertising in the Exchange and Mart to replace rusty subframes and worn gearboxes on Minis and 1100s. There were countless horrendous stories resulting from the experiences owners had when they brought their cars in to us. The owner used to buy P38 filler and black Body Schutz spray underseal by the case load and employed the likes of me...an inexperienced 17 or 18 year old... working in a small old barn with two hydraulic lifts. He lasted for many years, progressing from a small barn to a bigger barn to a conventional garage...to yet another garage - all as a result adverts in the Exchange and Mart covering the south of England getting new, unwary, customers.

Unfortunately t it sounds as though Dacia is moving in to replace him - with tales of rusty Dusters.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - mss1tw

The owner used to buy P38 filler and black Body Schutz spray underseal by the case load

One thing I can never understand (I wasn't even born then) is why when cars in the 70s/80s could be rusty heaps in 5 years or so, people didn't just fork out for this sort of treatment when they bought the things. I imagine the corrosion was fairly common knowledge.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Cyd

As someone who is currently working on the engineering of some of the new variants, and someone whose pension from my R-LR days is now dependant on the sucess of the MINI, I'd say please go buy one (even though they are not my "cup of tea").

You don't say which variant you are after. I'd imagine that anything other than a 3 door will have a long wait time. But go ask a dealer for definitive advice.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - thunderbird

Lets be totally honest about this. Back in the 70's BL cars were unreliable and rusty pieces of carp. But the other home grown brands, Fords, Vauxhalls and Chryslers were little (if any) better.

The original Chrysler brands disappeared before the BL brands and the new Talbot brand did not have a long life before dying. At least they did make some Peugeots at Coventry.

Ford and Vauxhall did have the advantage of having the backing of the parent group, without it I don't honestly think either would have survived. Vauxhall did sell some decent motors in the 80's such as the Astra and Cavalier, way better than the Escort and Sierra Ford offerings at the time and in a different leauge to the Maestro's and Metro's that BL were selling.

In the 70's and into the 80's I owned all the above brands and have to say that although the Escorts were not great quality (Mk2 and 3) at least they were pretty reliable.

But in 1984 I bought a Golf. What a revelation. So much better than anything I had ever owned, drove VW's for the next 18 years. Only went back to Ford in 2002 when the Mk 2 Mondeo offered a much better car than the Passatt and in 2005 bought a Focus that was much better than the Golf at the time. In truth both were as good as any VW I had owned.

Bottom line is Ford, GM, Peugeot do not make any cars in this country now but some of the Mini's are assembled in Oxford. Add into that Jaguars and Land Rovers that are made in the UK and its fair to say that 3 old BL brands have done better than the others as far as keeping a UK manufacturing base.

If I wanted a small, expensive niche car I would look at a Mini. They do appear to be cheap to run, one chap 4 doors away is on his 3rd and loves them.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Cyd

but some of the Mini's are assembled in Oxford.

Some?

Almost all the Minis are assembled at Oxford. Only a few of the low volume variants are assembled in the Netherlands.

Steel is pressed into panels in Swindon, welded into bodies at Oxford and painted at Oxford.

Major teir 1 suppliers make a variety of components and systems right here in the UK from raw materials, eg IPs and trim in Redditch, seats in Banbury, window regulators in Coventry. BMW make their own engines near Birmingham.

there's an army of engineers at BMW Oxford (although we do deal with engineers at the Fitz too) and at many of those tier 1 suppliers too.

If I had to hazard a guess (because published figures are not available), from what I see, I'd say something like 60 to 70% of the value of any Mini bought is supporting UK industry. It's probably more like 75 to 85% at JLR because all their engineering and test facilities are here too (BMWs are mostly in Munchen). Nissan, Honda and Toyotas "British value content" is probably lower at around 40-50%.

I saw a statistic recently that we are now building more cars in the UK than ever before. This has to be good news. And a large proportion of those cars go for export.

And British Automotive Engineering talent is still very much in demand - there's a reason most F1 teams park their R&D round the home counties!!

A Mini or a Discovery might not be everyones cup of tea (neither are for me), but we should all be thankful they are there and pumping money into our economy.

Oh, and there's Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port.....

LTC in Coventry (an ex Uni buddy is their Chief Engineer - though he's going to Tesla soon).

Oh, and I'm going back to JLR from next week. To work on luxury variant second row seating.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - thunderbird

Almost all the Minis are assembled at Oxford. Only a few of the low volume variants are assembled in the Netherlands

I thought the hideous Countryman was made in Austria but having looked on Wiki seems I am wrong.

The Countryman is primarily built in Graz, Austria under contract by Magna Steyr, making it the first of the BMW era Minis to be manufactured entirely outside the UK. [46]

In 2013, assembly of the Countryman was expanded to three international locations: from April 2013 at BMW's plant near Chennai, India, specifically for the Indian market [47] [48] from June 2013 at the BMW Group Malaysia Assembly Plant in Kulim, Kedah, [49] and at the BMW Manufacturing Thailand plant in Rayong from August 2013

No mention of the Netherlands for that model at least but another Google search found that as of summer 2014 production of the hatchback would be split between the UK and the Netherlands under contract by a company called VDL Nedcar at the old Mitsubishi plant (they bought the factory for 1 euro).

Since only 58% of Mini production was in the UK in 2013 it looks like less than 50% of Mini's total production will be UK based as of now.

Edited by thunderbird on 01/10/2014 at 15:02

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Cyd

Sigh... isn't Google wonderful lol!

Ok here it is;

Nedcar are producing "overspill volumes" of the F56 3dr variant, but the majority of 3dr production will still be at Oxford. Other variants will be produced at Oxford including the new F55 5dr variant (incidentally, the first ever 5dr Mini).

The proportion of total Mini production assembled at Nedcar is about 25% and will stay at this level for the foreseeable.

This had best be correct, or our lorries are on the wrong motorway every day!

Since assembly is only a proportion of the total value of a car, I stand by my earlier "guesstimates". The parts and systems for those vehicles still come from the same places they do for the Oxford built cars.

The essential thrust of my post remains the same - that we should all be grateful for a recovering British motor industry, whether the cars would be our own preference or not.

Anyway, must get back to work - we've got Minis to build!!

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - Andrew-T

<< Bottom line is Ford, GM, Peugeot do not make any cars in this country now but some of the Mini's are assembled in Oxford. >>

They're still making Astras at Ellesmere Port AFAIK?

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - thunderbird

<< Bottom line is Ford, GM, Peugeot do not make any cars in this country now but some of the Mini's are assembled in Oxford. >>

They're still making Astras at Ellesmere Port AFAIK?

Just checked. BBC news in 2012 announced "Production of the new Astra will begin at the Cheshire plant in 2015 and run until at least 2020" so they are not making them at present but will start next year when the Mk 7 is introduced.

Providing the plans are still going ahead as anounced 2 years ago.

MINI Cooper SD plus options - Lead times on new MINI - alan1302

<< Bottom line is Ford, GM, Peugeot do not make any cars in this country now but some of the Mini's are assembled in Oxford. >>

They're still making Astras at Ellesmere Port AFAIK?

Just checked. BBC news in 2012 announced "Production of the new Astra will begin at the Cheshire plant in 2015 and run until at least 2020" so they are not making them at present but will start next year when the Mk 7 is introduced.

Providing the plans are still going ahead as anounced 2 years ago.

The current Astra is made there as well. They did think it may close but they have the new Astra contract as well.