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This lady may well have been very stupid but using 4 letter words at her is also an offence and, in this day and age, you might have come worse out of a court hearing than she would, assuming she had bothered to report you! If people want to mess up their lives let them get on with it; if you got worked up about every dumb idiot on the road you wouldn't sleep well.
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I may well have come of worse in a court hearing, But I know what I did was correct, that child relies on his parents to take care of him, if they fail then it should be pointed out to them. It was not the first time I have had words with people about belting up their children and I know that unfortunalty it will not be the last - and if I get a bop on the nose or an arrest for doing it, then so be it - I can live with that, I hope they can live with a dead child due to their negligence. Maybe we need more people who are willing to say something and less of the people who are happy to stand and say nothing.
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A lot of people do not have a clue on road safefy etc.
e.g. on the way to work today popped to a recycle centre to drop some things off... car in front of me had a failed brake light. Told the female driver and she said she knew about it. Quite calmly as if it had been a problem for a while.
About to get in my car and then added... "thought I'd let you know because you could get 3 points and a fine for that" and suddenly she said "I didn't know that". Her face told it all ... she did not have a clue about the implications.
Forget fines/points, people are on the roads and driving with disregard for law and safety....
P.S. Once phoned traffic police to report someone with road rage. Whilst still on phone they walked over, swore etc., whilst I was on hands free car phone - so all on tape. Around 11:30pm on that same Sunday, traffic car turns up at home to ask me a few questions before they went to speak to driver... and he was in because they'd done a drive past :-)
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I was raging and called her every four letter word under the sun - made sure it was done loudly as well so all her friends could hear
very mature... I'm sure they all considered you the very model of an upright and concerned citizen. It's always good to expose young children to abusive langauge as early as possible so that they can be ready with all the right language by the time they can talk.
Excellent work!
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very mature... I'm sure they all considered you the very model of an upright and concerned citizen. It's always good to expose young children to abusive langauge as early as possible so that they can be ready with all the right language by the time they can talk. Excellent work!
I thought so, Obviously you can contain your emotions better then I can in such circumstances, good for you! I would rather expose kids to a torrent of foul language (most of which they will have heard/used before so don't kid yourself) and be secure in the knowledge that I tried to do something to save injury and possible death to a minor, rather then just standing by on the sideline shaking my head and mumbling what is the world coming to - I will leave you to do that.
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I thought so, Obviously you can contain your emotions better then I can in such circumstances, good for you! I would rather expose kids to a torrent of foul language (most of which they will have heard/used before so don't kid yourself) and be secure in the knowledge that I tried to do something to save injury and possible death to a minor, rather then just standing by on the sideline shaking my head and mumbling what is the world coming to - I will leave you to do that.
I suppose what you did was right, ie point out the dangers, but swearing at a women while her children and other children are around is not right, even if they have heard it before. At the end of the day its nothing to do with you? its not your kids involved, on the other hand though if it was my girlfriend or wife and I caught you calling her every name under the sun I'd be looking to fill you in for it, regardless if she had strapped the kids in or not, maybe this womens husband/boyfriend may have also taken exception had he been there?? What would you do if somebody was abusing your partner?
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I suppose what you did was right, ie point out the dangers, but swearing at a women while her children and other children are around is not right, even if they have heard it before. At the end of the day its nothing to do with you? its not your kids involved, on the other hand though if it was my girlfriend or wife and I caught you calling her every name under the sun I'd be looking to fill you in for it, regardless if she had strapped the kids in or not, maybe this womens husband/boyfriend may have also taken exception had he been there?? What would you do if somebody was abusing your partner?
For one, My partner is a child minder so is horrified by actions such as the womens - but if she had done the same then she would deserve to get a torrent of abuse and I would be next in the line to give it to her. As I said previously, If it meant I got a bop on the nose then so be it - I can live a bruise if it potentialy saves a kids life - but bearing in mind I am 5'11" and 17 stone and cut rather an imposing figure I would be fairly certain that I would have been ok. The other notable point was that I did it from the drivers seat of a car, I did not square up to her, so there was no intimidation - in fact it was through the open passangers window.
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For one, My partner is a child minder so is horrified by actions such as the womens - but if she had done the same then she would deserve to get a torrent of abuse and I would be next in the line to give it to her. As I said previously, If it meant I got a bop on the nose then so be it - I can live a bruise if it potentialy saves a kids life - but bearing in mind I am 5'11" and 17 stone and cut rather an imposing figure I would be fairly certain that I would have been ok. The other notable point was that I did it from the drivers seat of a car, I did not square up to her, so there was no intimidation - in fact it was through the open passangers window.
You would be next in-line to give her abuse, fair enough but you wouldn't stand there and let somebody dish it out to her would you? My point is, what business is it of yours? If an adult drives past you in there car at 40mph in a 30mph zone not wearing a seatbelt do you pull up to them and give them abuse? if something happens to her kids it's on her conscience, she'll have to live with it, not you. Like I say your morally correct, she should belt the kids up! but is worth the possibility of getting filled in and causing a big row? regardless of your size, im 6' 1" and 17st 4lb imposing figure or not, its somebodys Mrs and just isn't worth it, right or wrong....
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You would be next in-line to give her abuse, fair enough but you wouldn't stand there and let somebody dish it out to her would you? My point is, what business is it of yours? If an adult drives past you in there car at 40mph in a 30mph zone not wearing a seatbelt do you pull up to them and give them abuse? if something happens to her kids it's on her conscience, she'll have to live with it, not you. Like I say your morally correct, she should belt the kids up! but is worth the possibility of getting filled in and causing a big row? regardless of your size, im 6' 1" and 17st 4lb imposing figure or not, its somebodys Mrs and just isn't worth it, right or wrong....
Actually I would have stood there and let someone dish it out - and it is worth it, how can you say it is not worth it? An adult has the choice as to the direction of their life - a child relies on the guidance of their parents, why should a child be potentially put through, at best death, and at worst a life as a vegetable just because their parents were not responsible enough to take basic precautions. Even at very low speeds serious injury would have been caused, and no doubt the car had a passanger airbag as it was a pug 307cc, which just makes it worse. I am obviously in the minority at having a go at her, and maybe people think I went to far, But I have had to stop at and help at accidents before when people have been belted up, and they can still be a mess - I would not want to have to stop to help a child who was maimed just because his mother has one brain cell less then an ameba. I stand by my actions and would do exactly the same again if I had to. I think people like her should be banned from driving for a minimum of a year if they were caught with unrestrained children in the car.
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I thought so, Obviously you can contain your emotions better then I can in such circumstances, good for you! I would rather expose kids to a torrent of foul language (most of which they will have heard/used before so don't kid yourself) and be secure in the knowledge that I tried to do something to save injury and possible death to a minor, rather then just standing by on the sideline shaking my head and mumbling what is the world coming to - I will leave you to do that.
Actually in similar circumstances I find a quiet word works best. Standing shouting the odds means that all anyone takes away from the encounter is " wasn't that man an 'oaf'" rather than any "safety" message you are trying to impart but
hey! Fill yer boots, no skin off my nose.
And as an aside, if you happened to be screaming at my partner like that you'd like as not find yourself in a whole heap more trouble.
But of course in your self righteous indignation you're always careful to bully unaccompanied women eh?
;) Jab
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But of course in your self righteous indignation you're always careful to bully unaccompanied women eh? ;) Jab
Nope I would quite happily do the same to a man, the sex of the person matters not in instances like these - neither does the size, and not quite sure what you mean by a "whole heap more trouble", so please feel free to explain - and you best put in words that are really simple - cos us Oafs aren't very clever - unlike your partner who carrying a child unrestrained is quite clearly a brain of britain!!!
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not quite sure what youmean by a "whole heap more trouble", so please feel free to explain - and you best put in words that are really simple - cos us Oafs aren't very clever - unlike
I think what he's trying to say is that he'd chin you in a second regardless of your imposing figure, if it was his Mrs you were swearing at, as would I!!
I'll say it again, I dont disagree with you having a nice quiet word, whether it makes a difference or not, thats your part done!! Swearing at her is a no no. Car window, to her face, doesn't matter, you don't do it... one day you will and get smashed to bits for it.
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you don't do it... oneday you will and get smashed to bits for it.
I'll take my chances thanks, I still feel happier knowing I had the balls to do something.
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Oh come on, nobody was criticising you doing something about it merely the style with which you did it. That's not a question of balls, that's a question of maturity and ability.
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I think in theis instance it is a question of balls, by the sound of it most of you others would say "silly lady" and walk away, at least I had the guts to say far more - regardless of the consequences - either personally with the possibiliy of a physical attack on me, or otherwise the possibility of her reporting me to the police.
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It doesn't matter what you say, only what somebody else hears.
You might have said **** lady **** belt *** children *** accident *** injury
She will have heard ****** ********* ********* *******
So, in the case of effective message, probably an achievment of naff all.
On top of that, you will, to some level or other, have traumatised the children. Sadly you did that for no good reason, since the traumatising abuse had no effect on their future safety due to the way the message was delivered to the mother.
You felt better, probably a little macho, and somewhat self-righteous. The mother was probably annoyed and the kids upset. I doubt that much else achieved.
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I doubt that much else achieved.
I very much disagree, but as neither of us is likely to ever know I am happy with my actions and stand by them.
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Nope I would quite happily do the same to a man, the sex of the person matters not in instances like these - neither does the size, and not quite sure what you mean by a "whole heap more trouble", so please feel free to explain - and you best put in words that are really simple - cos us Oafs aren't very clever - unlike your partner who carrying a child unrestrained is quite clearly a brain of britain!!!
I doubt you would talk to man like but whatever *shrug*... well maybe once perhaps ;)
As regard my meaning I think it's quite clear, I also didn't call you an oaf. Secondly,if my partner chose to carry children unrestrained it is not for you to scream abuse at her. Thirdly, I would take some form of action iof you were screaming at someone else like that and my partner was simply in earshot.
Your behaviour was loutish and quite boorish, in a teenager I have no doubt you would be screaming for ASBO should that said teenager behave in a similar fashion even with the same "moral high ground" you obviously think you occupy.
Don't bother to repudiate it I wouldn't believe you.
;) Have a nice day
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I really don't care what you believe, I was there at the time, and I did what I felt was correct - you were not. I have also mentioned to male drivers about belting up their kids before now, and funnily enough you don't get the same response - and that is because they know that they are as likely to get slap from me as I am from them.
And I really cant see why you think it is the moral high ground I have taken - it is common sense, or maybe that is an alien concept to you.
And dont bother to reply - not because i don't vale your oppinion, but because you are insignificant. ;o)
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>>and called her every four letter word under the sun
Why ? Did it make you feel better ? Or did it hide your message ? Did you feel that four-letter words in front of her friends was going to make them think less of her, or considerably less of the abusive bloke swearing at her ?
I agree with your message. I even agree with telling her what you think about the situation or her for letting it occur. But the abusive language ? - rather immature and unimaginative, don't you think ? Especially in front of children, who I would imagine were quite upset to see his mother abused, irrespective of whether or not they had heard the words before.
Do you still think it was correct to use that kind of language ?
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Do you still think it was correct to use that kind of language ?
In that situation at that time, then yes, I wont go into the full story but a polite remark made no impact other then for her call me names - tit for tat maybe - but I was already mad, and that just tipped me over the edge and then the torrent flowed, I feel happy that what I did was the correct course of action, mature? Maybe not, but I felt better for it, and i am sure she will remember it. But to be perfectly honest, I would rather have had not been put in that position by the mindless bimbo in the first place.
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Did the kids hear your language? How good was that?
Frankly, she probably dismissed all you said, given your verbal dexterity, but she WILL remember your verbal abuse. Not clever in a public place, let's hope she doesn't report you. Do unto others etc etc... No wonder we have road-rage with people who have a go whenever it suits them...
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Did the kids hear your language? How good was that? Frankly, she probably dismissed all you said, given your verbal dexterity, but she WILL remember your verbal abuse. Not clever in a public place, let's hope she doesn't report you. Do unto others etc etc... No wonder we have road-rage with people who have a go whenever it suits them...
So you would rather a child went unrestrained then? And as mentioned she started the verbal abuse - but I sure as hell finsished it.
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"So you would rather a child went unrestrained then? And as mentioned she started the verbal abuse - but I sure as hell finsished it. "
If we all "helped others" by getting into a heated argument (regardless of who started it - sounds childish just saying those words), then heaven help us.
I cetainly wouldn't inflame the situation as you chose to do.
Your closing words say it all for me. She *may* have been in the wrong, but she sure wasn't alone. You have to accept that your approach did not work and if it made her mad, and she drove off with "red mist" (courtesy of your good self) she could well have had an accident as a result. Interesting concept I feel.
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You have to accept that your approach did not work and if it made her mad, and she drove off with "red mist" (courtesy of your good self) she could well have had an accident as a result. Interesting concept I feel.
That is speculation as I was gone before she came back to her car. But I think there is a far higher liklihood of her kids being belted up afterwards then if I had done nothing, and at least if she had had an accident due to red mist then the kids would have been safer!!!
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Ok enough please, before you lot make my blood boil and I have to start deleting / editing / making this thread read only. (not necessarily in that order).
DD.
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