Any - DPF Forced Regenerations - How soon do they occur? - rfm943

Amid all the talk about DPFs and the need to take cars in to dealerships etc for the regeneration process to be carried out I was left wondering how early these problems can arise, both time wise and mileage related in the life of the car.

In other words has anyone with for example a 2011 or 2012 car suffered the problem. Linked with this is the question of whether DPF technology is advancing and causing the problem to become less.

Given the widely publicised problems with DPFs I would certainly be reluctant to buy a second hand diesel fitted with a DPF but there is always the doubt in the mind about whether the problem is that widespread or whether it is a relatively small percentage of owners causing the issue to be blown out of proportion.

Any - DPF Forced Regenerations - How soon do they occur? - skidpan

We have 2 cars in the house with DPF's. One is 5 years old with 35,000 miles, the other is 2 1/2 years old with 25,000 miles. Neither has had a DPF problem. They regen when the car decides and regens take about 15 minutes.

Both DPF's are of the type fitted immediately after the turbo where they can get up to 600 degrees during a regen with no need for eolys additive. Neither car has shown any increase in oil level during our ownership.

Any - DPF Forced Regenerations - How soon do they occur? - scott1965

hi, i own a bmw diesel and use a combo for work. both have a dpf. the bmw owners forum and also the garage that looks after the company van both state that to start the regen,you must be traveling at "plus 50mph" constantly for around 15 mins. if you drop below this speed,you will have to start again.

non-stop short trips will cause the dpf to "clog-up". so if you driving habits are short ones, take it out for a good long run once in a while. some people say they can tell by the noise or revs when it is happening. hope this helps.

scott

Any - DPF Forced Regenerations - How soon do they occur? - skidpan

the bmw owners forum and also the garage that looks after the company van both state that to start the regen,you must be traveling at "plus 50mph" constantly for around 15 mins. if you drop below this speed,you will have to start again.

Your speed has nothing to do with a regen. There are many factors that need to be met before a regen will start and road speed is not one of them. Revs need to be kept between 1500 and 2000 to get an efficient regen. I have had regens start and complete on trips on the bypass from Tesco's, you never get above 40 mph but in 4th the revs are sufficient and since it takes about 20 minutes for the trip the regen is completed.

Edited by Avant on 02/03/2013 at 17:10

Any - DPF Forced Regenerations - How soon do they occur? - rfm943

Thanks for comments.

What I was really wondering was whether anyone has had to take an almost new car back to the dealer within the first 12/18 months to have the DPF "cleaned" by them. In my mind it is difficult to assess whether manufacturers are making progress in improving the technology because the fault is unlikely to show up in the first couple of years or so of the Car's life (I think, but would be in terested to hear otherwise).

Any - DPF Forced Regenerations - How soon do they occur? - craig-pd130

I have seen factory bulletins about DPF which state that the car must be travelling at above a given speed (for example, 38mph in the Vauxhall bulletin I saw) to start a 'normal' regeneration.

I believe this is to help minimise heat build-up in the engine bay when the DPF canister is being initially heated to the start temp for the regen.

However, once the regen has started it will usually continue, irrespective of speed, until the sensors on the DPF determine that the soot loading has dropped sufficiently. The ECU can keep the DPF matrix temp high enough by throttling the intake and adding extra post-injection fuel.

On my Mondeo and Volvo, the engine cooling fan is always on when a regen is happening, again I presume this is to shift underbonnet heat.

Obviously if a dealer forces a regen in their workshop, this overrides the ECU and presumably the main engine fan runs during the process.

EDITED to answer the OP's extra question -- I think dealer-forced regens are getting rarer. There was a spate of these with VAG cars but it seemed from various VW / Audi / Skoda / Seat forums that they also had a spate of duff DPF pressure sensors, which were telling the ECU that the DPF was full of soot.

Having had a Mondeo IV for over 3 years, there were very, very few DPF problems reported on the owner's forums, and no dealer-forced regens that I can recall.

Edited by craig-pd130 on 02/03/2013 at 19:58

Any - DPF Forced Regenerations - How soon do they occur? - rfm943

I myself have a Honda and this seems to be one of the main topics of conversation on the Honda forums. However it seems that all the DPF problems are occurring on 2008/9 registered cars and at around 50k miles and more.

Some forum members have had the DPF removed but that opens up another can of worms in all sorts of ways.

It may still be too early to tell whether later year models have the same problem or whether the technology has improved. Alternatively is the whole issue being over-hyped?