Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - passatcc
Hi All,

Sorry my first post is about a problem.

Last week i bought a 2008 vw cc that had 80k (miles) on the clock with history.
As it is a vw they have long life servicing so the last service was in early 2011 @60k.

Now for my concern i was transferring my private plate and noticed the MOT history that in '11 mileage was 70k yet in '12 it had 126k.

I immediately called the dealer and he has now comeback to me saying the last MOT had been mistakenly been done in kilometres.

He states vw and the MOT station will confirm.

Is this plausible?
Would anyone else believe this?
Had it serviced by vw and they state the 4 tyres are dangerous due to flat spots and a buldge on one of them.

Really tempted to just reject car

Thanks

Ps. This car cost £8k so not a cheap banger

Edited by passatcc on 26/02/2013 at 22:19

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Happy Blue!

How easy is it to mistake km for miles in a VW? I doubt very much that the odometer shows km at all. Therefore one must assume you are being fed a line and you should get your money back.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - 72 dudes

Unless VW and the MOT station can confirm that this mileage was in KM, I would reject it.

As Happy Blue says, I can't think how this accidental conversion could have been made.

The price you paid is much more akin to a car with 126k miles on the clock.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - skidpan

Simple schoolboy maths confirms 126000 km's = 78750 miles. Has the car only done 1250 miles in the last 12 months.

The dealer is clearly a liar, ask for your money back, if he refuses take the case to VOSA ans see what they say.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Andrew-T

This car will have a digital (electronic) odometer? Can they be switched at will between miles and Km display? Might this have been done - deliberately or accidentally? (can't see any point in increasing the number deliberately). 125K is a lot of miles in a 4/5-year old car, but not impossible ...

But if those 2010 and 2011 readings are both miles, it would mean 56K in one year, which really is a bit much.

Edited by Andrew-T on 27/02/2013 at 11:12

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - TeeCee

Can they be switched at will between miles and Km display?

Why would you want to? There's a requirement for UK vehicles to be able to show speed in mph and an EU one that this must also be possible in kph. As a result, digital speedos switch, but only on UK spec cars as there's no requirement on the continent and manufacturers don't fit a function that costs 5p to implement if they don't have to. Likewise, continental analogue speedos only have kph, not mph, marked while UK spec cars have both.

Given that reluctance of manufacturers to provide such functions when it's not legally required (and no such requirement exists for the Odo), I doubt it's possible to do this accidently. Now, a pig's ear with a software update in servicing by a dealer.......(!)

Anyhow, around these parts this is not the first time we've seen an example of the milage on an MOT being fictional. I'd have thought that the usual typo by the tester is more likely than kms/miles confusion....

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Chris79
It's easy to switch between mph/kph on my a4. No dealer input required, it's done via the settings menu on the mmi. That said the odometer reading is clearly showing the total mileage in km so it s fairy obvious if it as been changed.
Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - passatcc

Cheers for replies and opinions.

I went back to dealer today who was really pleased with himself as he had a full history print out from VW.....problem being that stopped Apr 2011 when the leasing firm sold it on.

Apart from the MOT's he had nothing from the second owner.

Now the first MOT was done in October 2011 @70K (presume miles) second one done October 2012 @126K he says the owner was Polish and he buys tons of cars which the owner drives around with mileage set to KM's so he is confident that the mileage is right.

He says for me to take this info to Trading Standards as he is that confident.

After reading the car manual I have found the VW MFD (Multifunction Display) in later cars (I say this as my friends '57 Passat won't let you) can quite easily be changed to KM's for total miles travelled and when I did it today it said 129k (ish) yet on miles says 81k (ish).

So he could be right but unsure....

But as said above it seems odd that since Oct '12 it has done under 2k miles and since Oct '11 it has only done 10k.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Andrew-T

After reading the car manual I have found the VW MFD (Multifunction Display) in later cars (I say this as my friends '57 Passat won't let you) can quite easily be changed to KM's for total miles travelled and when I did it today it said 129k (ish) yet on miles says 81k (ish).

But as said above it seems odd that since Oct '12 it has done under 2k miles and since Oct '11 it has only done 10k.

The story seems consistent to me. I am fairly suspicious in the used-car arena, but not paranoid. High milage when a lease car (23K/yr) followed by 8K with the Pole. Who has 'owned' it for the last 4 months? If no-one, the whole thing fits. If you like the car and it's in good nick for its 80K, enjoy.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - passatcc

The Polish owner had the car till 10/02/13 a few days before I bought it.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Simon
If the car was to be plugged in it to a proper VW diagnostic machine would it not prove it one way or the other, ie would it show any 'mileage corrections' that had been carried out?

Edited by Simon on 27/02/2013 at 22:01

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Car

So if I am correct the car in Oct 2011 had 70,000 miles on it then in Oct 2012 the mileage was 78,750, meaning the second owner travelled just under 9,000 miles a year in it.

The mileage now in February 2013 shows 81,000 therefore it has covered 2,250 miles for the last 3 months which equates to an annual mileage of 9,000 which ties up with the 2nd owners annual mileage of 9,000.

So the mileage covered by 2nd owner appears consitent over his/her period of ownership.

Another thought have you tried to contact the 2nd owner to ask him about the mileage? Perhaps before the Mot in 2012 he travelled to and from Poland and put the mileage reading to KM and forgot to put it back to miles before submitting it for the MOT ?

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - dadbif
I too can change between Km's and miles on my Citroen, however, it is not something that can be done accidentally.
Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Cyd

I think the story is entirely plausible. Indeed the math stack up.

However, YOU have a problem in that the last MoT shows 126k MILES, 'cos that's the units we use here in the UK. The next MoT which you conduct will show, say 90k. In the future YOU may well have trouble selling this on as others could think you've clocked the car.

Get a written statement from the dealer, preferably countersigned by the last owner too that you can put into the service history.

Personally I'm a n @ l about this kind of stuff and would have checked the documents and found this before purchase. I would have walked away.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - rtj70

I have a Passat CC on long/variable service intervals. From day one it estimated the service would be about 18,500 miles. Roughly. Still likely to be that mileage.

Read into that what you want but I don't think it would be 20k miles per year.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - brum

Irregardless of whether the story is true or not, look at the facts.

1. Modern VWs can be swapped between miles/km, by the user only if the car has a full "maxidot" type computer display , the odometer then reads xxxxx km instead of yyyyy ml.

2. The MOT tester will not change his certificate, which states it is the mileage. The OP will have to prove he was negligent in not noticing the km indicator. (VOSA or court)

3. The dealer was negligent in not noticing the above discrepancy and by not declaring this at point of sale maybe this is an illegal or fradulent sale. Again it is up to the OP to prove this.

4. As it stands your car has documentaion showing it has probably been clocked (as far as a buyer is concerned

5. Even with a VW diagnostic report to back up the story (mileage correction data) I think most buyers would just walk away, or even report you for clocking after a sale.

the OP should seek a substantial discount as the documentation devalues the car to one that has 120k+ miles and no service history to back it up.

The OP should contact the previous owner and ask for his version of the story, assuming he speaks english....

Edited by brum on 01/03/2013 at 13:47

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Hamsafar

This is a common Eastern European ruse. I must have seen 5 cars like this.

Usually with the current owner for 1 year.

All being sold by Poles/Romanians who say they had it in Km.

I ran VAGCOM scans on them and with two, found historic fault codes with the higher mileage listed on dates within the last 2 year. Radio stations foreign and foreign destinations in navigation too. It could be the dealer that was the first victim.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - nick62

I hate to say this to the OP, but I think you've been done!

It's a horrible feeling and I don't envy you one bit. I hope I'm wrong, or if not, you get some recompense from the dealer?

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Andrew-T

I hate to say this to the OP, but I think you've been done!

It's a horrible feeling and I don't envy you one bit. I hope I'm wrong, or if not, you get some recompense from the dealer?

Is the glass half-full or half-empty? It may be impossible to tell with certainty, so just trust your own judgment of the car's condition. Or you could waste weeks or months getting more wound up about whether you have been diddled. But you either have to return the car very soon or keep it long enough for the discrepancy not to matter any more.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - brum

Is the glass half-full or half-empty? It may be impossible to tell with certainty, so just trust your own judgment of the car's condition.

I dont think thats the issue, the problem is the car is worth very little with the present documentation, and so the OP will take a massive hit if he wants to sell, thats even if he can sell it with its "dodgy" history.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - passatcc

Trading Standards are investigating the mileage as we speak. Dealer refuses to believe there is a problem.

So far not to pleased:

1, Mileage biggest concern

I wanted a reasonable mileage car as I only do around 6k a year and the value could be £1500 less with inflated miles

2, 2x Tyres are dangerous with a bulge and flat spots

This could have been dangerous to me or other road users + I could have received points/fine.

3, Dealer sold me a Gold 12 months warranty which I believe is now void.

The warranty book states:

a, Under 100k miles to get the Gold cover

b, Timing belt only covered if done to manufacturers replacement regime (VW say 4 years or 100k) it hasn't been done

c, Servicing again to manufacturers regime. As above I have just had VW service it this week at just under 81k. Going from the last service at 59k it is 2k over recomendations (if what the dealer said is correct 20k)

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - brum

Demand an immediate refund - quote misrepresentation act 1967 www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/misrepr.../

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Andrew-T

Demand an immediate refund - quote misrepresentation act 1967

What has been misrepresented? Only the mileage on one of the MoT's - unless you can prove the car has done 56K in a year by this famous Pole? Suspicion is not misrepresentation.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - passatcc

'What has been misrepresented?'

Firstly the car if the MOT is correct. Advertisng a car with 80k when the MOT states 126k.

Secondly the sale of a warranty that might now be invalid. This was bought by me from the dealer.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Andrew-T

Yes, if. Several posters have presented gloomy scenarios, but there seems to be little proof one way or the other, just inconsistency. Everyone is assuming the worst with little evidence. Of course when you come to sell (if you keep the car) this whole process will be played through again.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Cyd

Maybe, just maybe:

you want to make a warranty claim
the warranty is conditional on the mileage being below 100k
the warranty company will want evidence this is the case
they may ask to see the last MoT certificate/printout
or they may look it up online themselves
they will see the car has 126k MILES
warranty claim REJECTED.

We've been discussing this for a while now. Frankly if the OP is minded to demand a refund, he needs to get on with it.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - passatcc

Dealer refuses to accept car back.

Trading Standards are investigating.

They have also said I might be able to claim CCA 75 as I paid the deposit on my credit card.

Vw cc - Mileage on MOT's in KM and Miles? - Collos25

Why would anyone want to change into KMs in the UK its probably been used to travel to Poland and back every week, the ferries are full of such cars used by many drivers to transport families and goods etc.The cars are run non stop itsonly the drivers that change.

No matter what mileage or KMs its done if its on the MOT and in the DVLA plus HPI its a sod to have it changed and whos going to believe it.