Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi

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Fri 15 Feb 2013 10:41
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - sra

Hi,

my second post here first was very helpful and a lot was learnt, i have just recently purchased Honda accord i-ctdi 82k on the clock 04 plate with No service history.

after reading HJ recalls page i checked with Brawley Honda and they told me there is no outstanding Recalls on this car.

I'm intending to keep this car at least till 150k so please let me know on following questions.

Questions:

1) what i should get it changed ASAP to avoid bigger cost in future so it can give me trouble free motoring for a long time - i use a lot on motoroway ranking up around 600 miles a month

2) it doesnt have service history but have got invoice from honda saying it had clutch changed 2000 miles ago - does it also mean fly wheel would have been changed too?

3) any other advice for this naive motorist?

many thanks

Edited by sra on 15/02/2013 at 10:48

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Fri 15 Feb 2013 20:20
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - likerocks

Brave move - hope you have bought a good one!

In terms of things to look at straightaway....

1) Oil and filter change. Use 0w30 oil for the sake of the cam chain and the lubrication of this component on the pre-facelift model is marginal.

2) Check for cam chain noise indicating wear of the above component. Be aware that these engines can be a bit rattly from cold anyway.

3) Check for turbo noise

4) The fuel filter is a swine to get to and tends to get neglected. Blocked or non-Honda ones can cause all kind of enginer management error messages and / or invisibly effect performance and throttle response.

5) Air filter - also can have a dispropotionately large effect on performance

6) Gearbox oil should have been done at 75k

7) Less urgent but worth thinking about brake fluid and coolant change at this age.

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Fri 15 Feb 2013 21:26
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - Collos25

I have owned a the same car in estate guise,the fuel filter is easy to get at its under the bonnet the problem is not changing it its as easy as pie its bleeding the system afterwards.Timing chains can cause trouble when they are old espacially if oil changes have been neglected the biggest problem with this series is the abs computer it suffers from a design fault and its very expensive to change. Hope you bought the one with the sat nav as ones without are worth considerable less money.

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Sat 16 Feb 2013 20:36
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - likerocks

the fuel filter is easy to get at its under the bonnet the problem is not changing it its as easy as pie its bleeding the system afterwards

Yes, it is under the bonnet, but is also under the airbox, drive by wire controller and a metal cowling on the priming bulb! It's only as easy as pie if you have the tools, skills and patience to get to it.

the biggest problem with this series is the abs computer it suffers from a design fault and its very expensive to change

VSA modulators can fail and are well over £1k to change. It's the same issue that affects a lot of VAG cares and Mazdas. However, they can also be fixed for £300-400.

Hope you bought the one with the sat nav as ones without are worth considerable less money.

Only to those who don't know where they are driving!

Edited by likerocks on 16/02/2013 at 20:39

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Sun 17 Feb 2013 13:31
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - Collos25

Only to those who don't know where they are driving!

Its not a question of knowing where you are going its a question of pure economics the cars with sat nav fetch considerable more than the ones without.

I would also be very wary of a dealer who said he had changed the fuel filter in fact I would not believe him.

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Sun 17 Feb 2013 16:33
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - corax

Only to those who don't know where they are driving!

Its not a question of knowing where you are going its a question of pure economics the cars with sat nav fetch considerable more than the ones without.

If that's true, then that's good to know as I'd rather have an Accord without satnav. It'll be out of date or go wrong in a few years time, and I would buy an aftermarket one instead. Besides, the ones without satnav have nice and simple ventilation controls.

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Sun 17 Feb 2013 16:57
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - Collos25

If that's true, then that's good to know as I'd rather have an Accord without satnav. It'll be out of date or go wrong in a few years time, and I would buy an aftermarket one instead. Besides, the ones without satnav have nice and simple ventilation controls.

They do not go wrong and how many new roads have they built in the UK in the last 20 years not many thats for sure.I have an aftermarket state of the art latest Garmin its useless compared to the ten year old one built into my sons 7 series.

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Sun 17 Feb 2013 18:42
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - corax

I have an aftermarket state of the art latest Garmin its useless compared to the ten year old one built into my sons 7 series.

You bought the wrong one then.

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Sat 16 Feb 2013 21:05
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - sra

thank you guys for all your comments - i got the details from the dealer he done the fuel filter,air filter and oil change and one thing i have noticed compare to bmw 320d i use to have is that there is a lot of turbo lag specially on first gear.

on first gear turbo doesnt kick in until 2.9k rpm where in bmw it was a lot quick?

any thoughts guys?

thanks

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Sat 16 Feb 2013 21:44
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - likerocks

mine was the same until I had all the filters changed (this was after the selling dealer had claimed to have done the fuel filter but left it looking surprisingly grubby). Seriously, no garage touches the fuel filter if they think they can get away with it!

Also worth mentioning that the turbo-feel is quite "soft" in these, but 3k rpm before decent boost doesn't sound right.

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Sat 16 Feb 2013 22:35
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - sra
Thank you for your response, do you think is turbo on its way out any help on this Appreciated? Mileage on the clock is only 82k
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Sun 17 Feb 2013 17:22
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - unthrottled

The poor old turbo always gets the blame when an engine won't make power. They usually only fail if they've been starved of (clean) oil. Unless it is noisy or the oil seal has gone, I would think that a malfunctioning N75r valve (operates the vanes) or a dirty MAF or EGR valve would be more likely candidates. If the engine isn't getting (or doesn't think it is getting) sufficient air, it won't supply the fuel and the turbo can't do squat.

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Sun 17 Feb 2013 18:00
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - sra
Thanks for that unthrottled I do feel turbo kicking in but quite late around 3000rpm on every gear most times I have to down gear to get speed else its lazy and take ages to pick up, the three faults you mentioned do you think I can do my self (I'm not very good at mechanics - can change oil) or have to go to dealer or specialist and roughly how much we looking at costs?

Thanks for any help!!!
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Sun 17 Feb 2013 19:16
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - unthrottled

A malfunctioning MAF or EGR valve might well flag up a fault. Does the MIL (Malfunction Indication Light) light up when the ignition is switched on or has someone removed the bulb?!

If you don't know what to look for, a modern diesel engine isn't the friendliest place to cut your teeth on automotive DIY!

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Sun 17 Feb 2013 20:04
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - sra

hi all

huge problem with the car now, stalled on the road while driving wont turn on - called RAC and he towed to the house engine is making huge knocking noise

RAC guy said its either injectors or something is floating in the engine probably piston missing.

i live in reading area any one can help me figure what is wrong with the car? or may be address of Honda Specialist.

many thanks

Edited by sra on 17/02/2013 at 20:07

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Tue 19 Feb 2013 10:13
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - Mike H

You don't say whether you bought it privately or from a garage. If the latter, you need to be talking to them pronto! And in the interim, do not take it elsewhere to be fixed, you need to give them the opportunity to do so. As you haven't had it more than a few days, you could probably also reject it and claim your money back.

If it was a private sale, you have my sympathy, hope it's not too expensive to sort.

Funnily enough, I recently put a late model Accord Tourer on the list of possibles for my next car.

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Sun 17 Feb 2013 20:14
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - Jase

Hi,

As I suggested before, I recommend you navigate to http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/

Sluggish performance on the i-CDTi, and steps to resolve, has been discussed amongst owners for years.

Hope you enjoy yours!

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Sun 17 Feb 2013 20:45
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - sra

i hope the engine comes back to life for me to enjoy as currently its sitting in garage dead ... :(

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Mon 18 Feb 2013 21:26
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - likerocks

Breakdown guy sounds like he doesn't have a clue....injectors not a known weak spot on these. Not sure where a piston would "go to" either!

If you haven't already, have a look at the fuel filter mounted on the bulk head. If it looks anything other than shiny and new, get it changed - it might be all the problem is. As others have said, the TypeAccord forum is your friend!

Please keep us updated when you know more.

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Mon 18 Feb 2013 21:44
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - Soichiro
Trust me I doubt it's your fuel filter.
ictdi engines need good maintenance.
Otherwise they tend to fail catastrophically.
No service history speaks volumes.
Lots of help at Accordownersclub it is well recognised
as the best Accord forum.
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Sun 17 Feb 2013 20:50
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - Soichiro
Hello,

Your particular year Accord falls into the range of ictdi that has known problems with timing chains.
There was a seven year extended warranty on the 04/05 models for the timing chain. But these are now well out of warranty.
Other problems are the exhaust manifold cracking and the VSA modulator failing with error code 66-1.
For more lots more info I would strongly suggest joining
Accordownersclub.co.uk.
Lots of info and help there.
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Sun 17 Feb 2013 21:21
Honda Accord - Purchased Accord i-ctdi - unthrottled

Bad luck. get it to a garage. There's no point speculating as to what the problem may be.

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