Car ride quality - Trilogy

A few weeks ago I was talking to my friend 'The KIA Man'. I mentioned the new Golf would be 100kg lighter than the present model. He said that would mean it would have a worse ride because it was lighter. I told him that was utter codswallop. He didn't agree and said 'why do you think Rolls-Royce makes such big heavy cars?'. I had said it depends how a car is set up. He said it didn't make any difference. I did tell him about long travel 2CV suspension, but I'm sure he didn't believe me. And mention that low profile tyres can give a car a worse ride. He said it was down to physics - the heavier the car, the better the ride. In theory it is but lots of cars disprove that theory.

I've just read the following piece from the CAR magazine website. Could some of the engineers on here explain why the 100 kg weight saving helps? And what does really make a car ride well irrespective of weight.

The other major improvement is in the ride quality. We’re not so much talking about Golf VII bettering Golf VI here, but about Golf vs the rest of the compact car world. True, the test cars were fitted with relatively uncritical 17in wheels and tyres, but even in combination with the optional sports suspension the level of compliance felt creamier and cushier than what the premium brands can offer for a lot more money. That the wheelbase has been stretched by 50mm certainly helps, and so does that 100kg weight saving. The new chassis – here with a multilink rear axle, which is replaced by a less sophisticated torsion beam in cars packing less than 120bhp – will expertly soak up bumps and potholes, iron out crests and dips, compensate for aquaplaning grooves and patchwork blacktop. Only over broken-up surfaces tackled at low speed or when encountering serious obstacles like a banked railway crossing does the 225/45 footwear approach its limit of compliance.

Edited by Avant on 18/01/2013 at 21:54

Car ride quality - 72 dudes

I'm not an engineer, but your Kia Man is talking what I call b*****.

In addition to the 2CV just look at all the lightweight old cars like Renault 16, Citroen ZX, Peugeot 405 etc which rode much better than average.

With the Golf, VW have got it just right. I haven't driven the latest Golf but I was pretty impressed with a Mk VI I drove last year.

The fact that they have got to grips with the large alloy/low profile tyre mix which most people in the UK seem to like is very encouraging. I read similar comments about the new 3-series with 18" wheels.

When Autocar tested the new Volvo V40, and said it had an average ride/handling mix, Volvo sent their Head of Development and a team across to the UK to see why. Turns out they had no idea how bad UK roads were!

I guess weight saving, combined with finely tuned spring and damper rates can result in a better ride quality, but most manufacturers will not do this if it harms the handling and make it less 'fun'.

Maybe VW have cracked it, hopefully others will follow.

Car ride quality - brum

It all about the unsprung mass

Alloy/lightweight suspension components (in proportion to overall mass) improve performance of the suspension.

Upmarket cars improve ride quaity by using more complex suspensions that effectively have two suspension systems in series i.e. a primary and secondary suspension.

As the tyres and seats also have "suspension" qualities, this means those posh/expensive cars have up 4 layers of suspension before they reach your bum.

Low profile tyres have significantly poorer suspension performance than standard higher profile tyres.

Car ride quality - thunderbird

The springs/dampers need to be matched to the rest of the car to give the ride/handling compromise that the company decides that car should have.

Sporty models tend to have stiffer springs and dampers together with lower profile tyres, basic models tend to have softer suspension and higher profile tyres.

Dad had a Renault in the 70's, soft suspension, high profile tyres both resulted in a great ride but the b***** thing needed casters on the door handles, not really a pleasnt car to ride in.

We had a 52 plate Mondeo, nice firm springing and damping, lowish profiles tyres and great handling. Overall it was the best riding car we have ever owned.

Car ride quality - Bobbin Threadbare

If your vehicle has a larger mass, then it requires more effort to get it going. You can get another 2% on mileage out of a car for every 50kg you get rid of, roughly.

There was a winning X-Prize entry a few years ago called Edison2 which was a 4-passenger car with a mass of about 380kg. The idea was to lighten the car and improve mpg as much as possible, without sacrificing space and comfort.

To alter comfort and handling, you need to damp the oscillations of your system - as has been rightly pointed out, suspension systems do this for you, and they're matched to how the car should act.

Edited by Bobbin Threadbare on 18/01/2013 at 18:21

Car ride quality - madf

Cars with wider track and longer wheelbases are easier to yune suspension for comfort.. Less impact of small undulations...

No mention of weight.

Anyone who thinks weight = comfort has no understanding of cars and should be treated as a font of all ignorance.

Car ride quality - Cyd

The physics and engineering principles involved in designing chassis systems would make War and Peace look like a light bedtime read!!!!!

A uni buddy of mine followed me into Land Rover / Rover and he became a Chassis Engineer (I was a Door Systems Engineer). He has a Masters in Mech Eng!! And it took him many years to learn the craft.

But, your friend is talking rubbish. Even the stiffness of the bodyshell has a significant effect on ride and handling. Even gluing the glass in rather than using rubber seals brought about improvements in shell stiffnes that can be used to improve both crash performance and ride & handling.

Just about every component has an effect.

Car ride quality - skidpan

He didn't agree and said 'why do you think Rolls-Royce makes such big heavy cars?'.

The only reason they made big heavy cars was because that was what Rolls Royce made and had always made. Still make big cars but they are a bit lighter now.