Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - craig-pd130

As frosty mornings are here, yet again I've been mildly amused by watching my neighbours trying to use de-icing sprays and scratting frantically away with scrapers to try and clear their screens in the morning.

Why do so few people use warm water and window-cleaner's wiper blade?

All glass is cleared of frost and ice and dry in 30 seconds maximum, AND it also removes fog from inside the windows.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - jamie745

I went out last night in frozen fog. I just sat in the car hugging myself as I waited for the car to warm everything up all by itself.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - Engineer Andy

I'm not sure if it applies to warm water (as opposed to boiling water), but it may make your windscreen deteriorate and be more susceptable to cracking.

Unless you live in a neighbourhood where "youths" like nicking/vandalising stuff, then a windshield or full windows cover is very effective - even with my cheapie Halfords one it just comes off without a problem and the windscreen is completely frost-free.

Having it on the rear windscreen would reduce fuel consumption due to having the heated rear windscreen and main heater on full blast for 5 minutes.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 12/12/2012 at 17:35

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - unthrottled

Like Craig, ignoring the hysteria about thermally shocking a windscreen was the best winter driving tip I ever learned. Not having to wait for the cabin heater to defrost the windsreen is real boon.

Sticking with the ~25/75 glycol/water ratio as an experiment. Last winter I flipped the ratios around hoping the engine would run a little warmer. Tempted to drop a litre out of the sump if I can muster up any enthusiasm to crawl underneath the car.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - jamie745

Ah but unthrottled my car has lots of buttons and magical things which works faster than your 1990s technology.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - unthrottled

Nothing is faster than a 4pt carton full of hot water Jamie.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - jamie745

But my car is much faster than yours.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - RT

Like Craig, ignoring the hysteria about thermally shocking a windscreen was the best winter driving tip I ever learned. Not having to wait for the cabin heater to defrost the windsreen is real boon.

Sticking with the ~25/75 glycol/water ratio as an experiment. Last winter I flipped the ratios around hoping the engine would run a little warmer. Tempted to drop a litre out of the sump if I can muster up any enthusiasm to crawl underneath the car.

I've seen somewhere, can't remember where, that coolant with less than 60% water is LESS efficient at cooling, ie heat transfer - which was a slight shock as I've run 50:50 for decades - so I'm changing to 40:60.

If that principle holds then 75:25 glycol:water should heat up quicker as it will be worse at getting rid of heat

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - unthrottled

When it comes to heat transfer nothing comes close to straight water. The only real problem is corrosion and freezing in winter. 20% antifreeze starts to crystallise at ~-10C, but it remains a slush down to below-30C. Way south of what we see in the UK. Not a lot of corrosion protection at this level though, so frequent changes are a must. Roughly speaking each percentage of glycol raises metal temperatures by ~0.5C (for a given coolant temp.

I used to use a high glycol mixture to try to get the engine to run hotter in winter, but the engine warm-up is much slower and less even.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - craig-pd130

@ Unthrottled - have you tried a 'water wetter' in the coolant? No idea if it works but it's meant to improve heat transfer.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - bathtub tom

>>Sticking with the ~25/75 glycol/water ratio as an experiment. Last winter I flipped the ratios around hoping the engine would run a little warmer. Tempted to drop a litre out of the sump

I prefer to keep oil in my sump.

;>)

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - craig-pd130

I'm not sure if it applies to warm water (as opposed to boiling water), but it may make your windscreen deteriorate and be more susceptable to cracking.

I've done it for 20+ years on all sorts of old snotters, from my B GT to Fiestas, Escorts etc right through to my current company car. Even my previous Mondeo with multiple repaired stone chips ... no problems with cracking etc.

As long as the water is only hand-hot, it's fine.

More cars should have Ford's heated windscreen though, it is a genuine safety aid (admittedly I found it better at demisting the inside of the screen than for clearing frost)

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - groaver

Just don't get too busy and use it on the side windows.

Frameless windows and door handles can re-freeze pretty damn quick!

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - Bobbin Threadbare

I use a large kitchen jug to lob warm water (not hot) onto my windows, scrape them down with an ice-scraper and then get in and put my heater on full fan. Having a little car means that the cabin heats up very quickly, and the fabric roof is actually very well insulated. I think most people have those heated rear windows and if I switch mine on, the wing mirrors heat as well. De-icer is horrible stuff.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - Avant

"De-icer is horrible stuff."

But at least it's quick and efficient. I use Halfords' "night before" de-icer as well as their ordinary concentrated de-icer. OK, it costs, but it's worth it to get rid of the boring, useless muck as quickly as possible.

It's at times like this I think I really ought to flog the Z3 and get the Skoda into the garage.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - jamie745

Nice and comfy in that anorak of yours Avant?

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - unthrottled

I tried pre-ice and found it absolutely useless. Won't buy it again.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - Engineer Andy

I must admit that I hate using my (Halfords) de-icer as its so badly designed IMO that half of it ends up on my hand when I spray it on the other windows (poor nozzle design I guess), which means I have to then thoroughly wash my hands before driving, wasting even more time.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - oldroverboy.

I use the 4 pint plastic milk container full of tepid water and gets the frost off fast. (just the right amount to go sparingly over windscreen, front windows, rear screen and a drop for the mirrors,) then aircon on full blast recycling. regular cleaning of interior glass helps too!

Edited by oldroverboy. on 13/12/2012 at 05:54

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

Normally use the container full of warm water very successfully. However in these colder conditions, -4C and lower, finding that the water re freezes after using the wipers.

Then sprayed on de-icer which visibly melted the ice but when it ruffled up in the 30mph airstream and I used the wipers, froze again. A bit stop start until some heat got through the vents.

Any - Musings on cold and frosty mornings - Snakey

I don't even use warm water - just cold water straight from the tap is enough to get rid of the frost. Somestime a follow up with a squirt of de-icer and a few wipes from the wipers just to make sure it doesn't refreeze.

I've done this for years and had no problems - its the quickest way!