Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - nick62

Thoughts?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20143969

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - Falkirk Bairn

Youngsters and new drivers - it's a good idea to save £££s

Old fogies, umpteen canteen years NCB paying under £200 for fully comp - an intrusion.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - Bobbin Threadbare

Youngsters and new drivers - it's a good idea to save £££s

Old fogies, umpteen canteen years NCB paying under £200 for fully comp - an intrusion.

I think I fall in the middle - my premium isn't in four figures but neither is it the sub-£200 my mum pays. I don't want a box to monitor me; I don't believe the technology is good enough to rate how I take corners and suchlike, without further proof and testing, of which I've seen none in the media. I don't know which engineering journals to search in to find this out myself.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - unthrottled

The algorithms seem primitive. Sharp braking and acceleration are 'punished'. Conversely, trundling through a red light or crawling out of a junction onto a national speed limit road are 'rewarded'. No thanks. I'd rather be judged on the number of accidents I'm involved in-or lack thereof.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - jamie745

I hate the entire idea in principle. Passing your test entitles you to drive without a smarta*** looking over your shoulder, criticising your driving. Even if I could get insured for £1 with one I'd still refuse.

A computer cannot possibly make driving judgements. Is an emergency stop to avoid flattening a child deemed harsh braking? Will I be marked down for that? What about speeding up to get past a slip road with oncoming traffic when I've got traffic on my right? I'd say I have little other option and am taking the safe route, but computer may disagree.

But Dorris doing 12mph on her way to the Edinburgh Woollen Mill will be applauded by this computer?

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - Bobbin Threadbare

The algorithms seem primitive. Sharp braking and acceleration are 'punished'. Conversely, trundling through a red light or crawling out of a junction onto a national speed limit road are 'rewarded'. No thanks. I'd rather be judged on the number of accidents I'm involved in-or lack thereof.

Exactly my point. Also, does this mean that if some eedjit pulls out of a road end on me and I slam on, it goes as a black mark against my driving? (I hope the black box doesn't also record the language used and penalised on that basis too)

There's also no way I'd want to take a motorway/dual carriageway slip road at 30mph in order to lower my premium.....the speed differential is too great and it's asking for an accident.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - Avant

There may be no affordable alternative for some young drivers. I interviewed a 19-year-old the other day who has one because he pays an annual premium of £750 instead of over £2,000 to insure his car - I think he said a Peugeot 207.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - jamie745

Well that just proves we need to get a grip on the insurance industry. There's no way blind, deaf old grandad is only £180 worth of risk while someone who's actually passed a modern test is somehow going to destroy half of Britain and write their car off 27 times a year.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - RT

Well that just proves we need to get a grip on the insurance industry. There's no way blind, deaf old grandad is only £180 worth of risk while someone who's actually passed a modern test is somehow going to destroy half of Britain and write their car off 27 times a year.

Based on the cost to the insurance industry in £s, that's exactly the way that older drivers are "worth" £180 in premiums.

Either we have risk-based premiums or we have cross-subsidy of risky drivers by the less risky ones - please debate how you'd like YOUR premium calculated.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - RickyBoy

I'd like mine calculated so that they're always in my favour please :–)

Paying £186.00 for the vRS this term – FC, PNCD, sole driver, etc.

I'm neither blind, deaf nor a grandad – yet, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time!...

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - RT

I'd like mine calculated so that they're always in my favour please :–)

And that's the problem - safe drivers want their risk rating to determine premiums - less safe drivers want everyone to share.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - unthrottled

Oh, I can see the advantages for new drivers. I just fret about the "thin end of the wedge" problem. Once you normalise driver monitoring, it is only a matter of time before BRAKE lobby to have to made compulsory for everyone.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - Collos25

I don't see any problem with that.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - Chris M

Can we put to bed a couple of misconceptions here. The black box doesn't mind if you make the occassional emergency stop and it doesn't mind you giving it a bit of welly when joining the motorway. It won't even mind you going a couple of mph over the speed limit.

It does mind you driving as though the accelerator and brake pedals are on off switches. It likes smooth driving and, as we all know, smooth driving comes from being observant and planning ahead. Just what a young driver should be practicing.

The black box worked for us last year although we moved to another, non black box, insurer this year because the deal suited us better. I would have no hesitation in going back to the black box if the circumstances warranted it.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - RT

What's needed is the provision of a 12-month "trial" period for any driver to arrange conventional cover but add a black box and then review at the end of 12 months which would have been cheapest.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - wypte-bus-preservation

I've used the poduct 'ecodrive' which is fitted to some modern buses and coaches (Optare do it, and possibly others too) and I love it.

When you turn the ignition score is 199, then fire the engine up it drops down, then (from y experience of a fleet of drivers) stabilises at around 105-130 (poor drivers), 130-150 (average) and then 150-270 (very economy aware).

It displays four things: accel, decel, corner and economy and it has really helped my own braking skill. what it doesn't do (afaik) is transmit scores remotely.

Any - Insurance - "Black Box" - unthrottled

It's a gimmick.

It'll tell you that cruising at high speed will use more fuel than cruising at a moderate speed. Who knew?

It'll tell you that shifting from the accelerator straight to the brakes is a waste of fuel? Who knew?

What it can't determine is why you had to brake. If you're in stop-start traffic or a traffic light changes to red, you simply have to brake.

Drivers don't need apps, they need road awareness and common sense.

Edited by unthrottled on 08/11/2012 at 21:36