MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - SULLY

Gradual loss of power and lots of black smoke from exhaust whilst on M-Way - nervously watching instruments until the next exit, suddenly the fuel gauge dropped to zero. Nearest garage asked if I had put petrol in - I don't think so. Loss of power is almost total.

Is the fuel gauge issue a coincidence, or a symtom connected with the other problem ?

On inspection the tank is still half full, and oil level hasn't dropped.

57,000 miles on the clock, vehicle well maintained.

Can anyone help please ?

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - Peter.N.

I don't know what engine your truck uses, if its non turbo I suspect it might be an IDI but in general black smoke is indicative of lack of air, try disconnecting the air intake pipe from the manifold and see if that helps, if so you may have a blockage, possibly the filter. Don't know if there is any connection with the fuel gauge problem, could be some strange electrical fault but I would go for the air first.

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - SULLY

Thanks for the suggestion. The recovery garage say there is some petrol in the diesel. The last time I filled up, I filled the tank to full from nearly empty, and have used more than half, so I'm wondering if it's possible/feasible that the engine would have gone on for so long.

Edited by SULLY on 16/10/2012 at 20:08

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - focussed

Simples-Find the forecourt receipt for the last lot of fuel you bought-if it says diesel you need to claim from the owner/franchisee of the fuel station who sold you diesel contaminated with petrol-it happens-a big filling station on a main A road near where I used to live had to pay for dozens of vehicles to be sorted out after the delivery tanker driver filled an underground diesel tank with petrol. You did keep the receipt didn't you?

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - injection doc

petrol in diesel doesnt normally cause black smoke but normally a grey white smoke and missfire.

Over fuelling causes black smoke or too far advanced timming.

I would check for a stuck open EGR valve, blocked air intake or faulty pump. a stuck EGR will cause severe loss of power and black smoke

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - focussed

petrol in diesel doesnt normally cause black smoke but normally a grey white smoke and missfire.

Over fuelling causes black smoke or too far advanced timming.

I would check for a stuck open EGR valve, blocked air intake or faulty pump. a stuck EGR will cause severe loss of power and black smoke

What is a definitive test for petrol contamination in diesel fuel and how is it carried out? Apart fron just sniffing it of course.

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - unthrottled

What is a definitive test for petrol contamination in diesel fuel and how is it carried out? Apart fron just sniffing it of course.

Exactly the same as the test for petrol in engine oil. Put a drop of the suspect fuel on some blotting paper-or an unwanted , unwaxed business card. Petrol will disperse into a very wide halo. Diesel has a much smaller halo.

Completely agree about petrol not causing black smoke. Unless of course the petrol has damaged the pump which is subsequently unable to build sufficient pressure. Low injection pressure can cause black smoke.

Edited by unthrottled on 17/10/2012 at 00:29

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - focussed

I was thinking of something more definitive-like this?

http://am.delphi.com/products/diagnostic-tools-and-equipment/diesel-diagnostic-equipment/diesel-fuel-analyser/

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - unthrottled

Because everyone has got access to one of those.

Scoff as you might, the blotting paper test is regaining popularity as a qualitative field test. Poeole did manage to keep engines running before OBD II Computer-says-no analysis came along!

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - SULLY

Thanks everyone. I'm confused. The recovery garage have drained the fuel (so I guess I can't now ever be sure if there was petrol contamination - they say the fuel smelt of petrol, replaced oil and filters, but the engine will only idle, they say the petrol will have stripped the cylider bores so there's little or no compression.

Any suggestions on the next move ? Obviously if the engine's really a write off I don't want to waste more money on investigating the fault, but I still have doubts because of the black smoke, the time it took to fail, and that I'm sure the last fill-up was with diesel.

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - Peter.N.

I think the garage is talking rubbish, if the compression was that low the engine wouldn't start let alone tick over, if its high enough to start its certainly high enough to drive OK. I would take it to a diesel specialist, they usually know what they are doing and are generally cheaper.

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - thunderbird

they say the petrol will have stripped the cylider bores so there's little or no compression.

Petrol will not strip the engine bores, if it did how would a petrol engine last over 100,000 miles with little or no bore wear. The bores in a petrol are not made of a special petrol resitant metal.

They are talking absolute balls. Get it away from that garage ASAP.

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - unthrottled

Especially in a diesel engine where the fuel is either injected into a pre-chamber or into a cavity in the piston so it has virtually no chance of getting onto the bores.

Blowby is worst at low engine speeds (ie idle).

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - injection doc

peterN is spot on , diesel needs high compression to start ! 280-400psi at least and if it fires up to start it will run.

They are talking out of their port hole ! get it away from there asap.

Fid a garage that knows what they are doing. Petrol over a short period will not wash the bores away !

There it has the extrenal diesel pump and not CRD there is a microfine filter fitted inside the banjo bolt of the inlet pipe to the pump. These become blocked and will cause power loss and only allow them to start and tick over but not rev up. Its one possibility, EGR another and pump timming issue or blocked exhaust or inlet.

Are you sure it hasnt been ploughed through water and sucked the air filter down the air induction pipe ?

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - SULLY

I'm sure water hasn't been sucked in. I wish I could be sure about petrol, but I was in France the last three fill-ups, but having lived there for 10 years I'm used to the pumps etc. I'm trying to check this out, BUT I had thought there was less pulling power uphill etc for a while, but I do so little mileage in it normally, I wasn't sure i was imagining this. If I did have a senior moment and topped up the tank with petrol some time ago, could gradual damage result in the current symptoms ?

I've read that the fuel sender is part of the injection pump. Could this answer my question as to why the fuel gauge failed when the black smoke got bad, i.e. the fuel pump failed, for whatever reason ?

Sorry this is dragging on - I'm trying to find a diesel specialist near Exeter who will look at it !

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - injection doc

have you tried exeterdiesels ?

http://www.diesels.co.uk

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - SULLY

Yes I had found Exeter Diesels, but haven't made contact yet...are you recommending them ?

I need to find someone I can trust !

MAZDA B2500 (NON TURBO) diesel pickup - POWER LOSS - injection doc

Hi Sully

I havent used them , I would ring and speak to them and discuss how they would approach the situation .

I have seen intank pumps split or leak and high pressure fuel is sprayed around in the tank knocking the fuel level float scatty causing low or erratic readings and causing loss of power. When I say High pressure its only a low pressure pump ( yeah i know but someone will pick holes init !) but you get enough fuel spray in the tank to cause havoc and the fuel delivey tpo the main pump can be restricted anmd often airated causing white smoke.