Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - guygamps

With respect to the C Crosser (Aka Peugeot 4007, Aka Mitsubishi Grandis).

I am thinking of "chipping" the 2.2. Diesel engine, this looks good....

www.dieseltuningbox.com/store/index.php?route=prod...3

Anyone have any experience of DTS?

Here's another one, but it is £100 more.

www.chipexpress.com/products/290/

comments?

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - Alanovich

Can recommend you look into the van Aaken smartboxes. My step father has one in a Nissan Navara and the darned thing scares the life out of me now. I'm considering getting one for my Galaxy, rather than replacing the car.

www.dieselsmartbox.com/

I know the man who invented the devices personally, have done for since the 70s. Highly talented individual who worked in Formula 1 in his youth. Loves what he does and loves cars like no other person I know. Runs a BMW 5 series diesel estate himself, b***** thing is like a stealth bomber.

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - gordonbennet

For the sort of money involved a professional remap mght be a better solution, tailored individually to your needs and to your own car.

I can suggest one tuner that we have used that produced excellent and trouble free long term results if you are interested, i investigated the scene thoroughly and with an open mind, what became clear is that when you read some forums (not this one), certain tuners get mentioned and sung from on high just a bit too often, pudding overegged.

Edited by gordonbennet on 30/08/2012 at 19:16

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - SteveLee

If the car has an automated manual box I'd steer well clear, it's easy to accidentally over-torque these 'boxes during the gear change by messing with the mapping.

If it's a manual or a proper auto then I'd consider it - even then, don't expect the transmission/clutch/torque converter (where appropriate) to last forever.

Modern diesels are "over turbo'd" on purpose to stretch the rev range at which boost is available, this means careful limiting of torque (boost) is required in the mid-range or they 'd easily produce far more torque than the transmission was designed for. By remapping you are removing this protection.

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - Collos25

Hope you are going to tell your insurance company when you have done it.

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - unthrottled

I quite agree. For a long time the smoke limit set the efective torque limit of diesels. Too many chipping companies still follow this rule. With high pressure injection, you can start hurting bearings and clutches before any visible smoke problems appear. I would lay off trying to bump up low end torque-no matter how tempting that might be. Torque is limited at low RPMs for a reason.There's probably not much harm in stretching the torque curve further up in the RPM range though, but leave peak torque alone.

Forget about "15% better economy" or simar spurious claims. You might get 5% or so if they programme out EGR. maybe another couple of per cent by advancing injection timing. All at a huge cost of Nox if anyone is bothered-but it won't crop up at MOT.

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - BigJohnD

Bespoke re-mapping produces better results than an add on box - check out Angel Tuning: www.angeltuning.co.uk/

Note that the latest PSA engines have anti-re-mapping protection. This can take the form of physically having to re-wire the chip/socket or an electronic seal/password, either of which has to be cracked to gain access to the ECU and in most cases cannot be reset in an undetectable way. If your car is still under the manufacturer's warranty, this action will void it - but then that may not be an issue for you.

However, you should inform your insurer that your car engine has been re-mapped. Indicating that it was done to improve mpg, there may well be no change in your premium.

Edited by BigJohnD on 31/08/2012 at 01:18

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - guygamps

Thanks,

I developed concerns before reading the above, mainly because there have been many reports of clutch problems (mainly slipping in 5th and 6th gear) on this car, and the culprit has been considered to the clutch which cannot handle too well the increased torque from the PSA 2.2 HDi over the previous Mitsubishi selected VAG 2.0 PD engines,

so if the clutch already has trouble handling the torque and I increase it, then what?

so. reading the above I have put in a call to Angel Tuning for a bespoke remap, and have just had a quote back from them. if I do anything at all, that would be the way to go I think.

thanks


GUY

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - thunderbird

How can a man with a laptop better what a major manufacturer with ££££££££££'s of developement budget can. OK by putting more fuel in they can probably produce more pwer/torque but there is far more to making an engine work better than making it give better figures at full throttle on a dyno (if that is what they do).

If you want more power buy a different car.

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - guygamps

How can a man with a laptop better what a major manufacturer with ££££££££££'s of developement budget can. OK by putting more fuel in they can probably produce more pwer/torque but there is far more to making an engine work better than making it give better figures at full throttle on a dyno (if that is what they do).

If you want more power buy a different car.

it's a fair point, on my part I just want to know I am getting the best out of the car, on the manufacturers point they tune the car to meet all the regulations in every market that they sell it in, they do not optimise the performance, for example in UK tac is calculated according to C02 in other countries maybe according to BHP or Capacity, so the manufacturers "tune" will be a compromise to get the best results compliant with as many regs as possible.

Anotther view is that when a car is mass produced each individual car is not tuned by hand, time does not allow for that, and having a specalist hand tune it will get the best out of it.


I am not committed to doing anything, seeking the forums opinion - that's all

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - RT

How can a man with a laptop better what a major manufacturer with ££££££££££'s of developement budget can. OK by putting more fuel in they can probably produce more pwer/torque but there is far more to making an engine work better than making it give better figures at full throttle on a dyno (if that is what they do).

If you want more power buy a different car.

If it were that simple, the manufacturer could just use a "man with a laptop" and save themselves £billions.

Cars sold in UK are optimised to Euro regulations which apply across the EU, including the UK. Cars sold in different emission regulation zones have different settings.

Edited by RT on 31/08/2012 at 18:50

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - gordonbennet

With turboDiesels it used to be a simple task to make them much more driveable, a slight adjustment of the fuelling screw sufficed...no man with laptop needed...or wanted, i gave all of mine a tweak.

These days its £299 to £500 for a piggy back tuning box, or remap.

I prefer the way we used to do it...;)

Edited by gordonbennet on 31/08/2012 at 21:10

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - unthrottled

The other one tuning companies trot out is that manufacturers have to tune conservatively because of varying quality of diesel across the EU-and that our fuel is supposedly the best. It's bunk. British fuel meets EN590 standards, just like Frech and German fuel.

On the subject of clutches, beware that the torque limit of a clutch depends on the number of cylinders.This is why V6 and 4 pot engines often use the same clutch. Just because a clutch can cope with X lb. ft in a V6 doesn't mean it won't slip in a 4 pot of the same output.

I think low end torque is the biggest killer though. OEMs know people want lots of it, yet torque below 1500 RPM is always restricted-and it isn't because they don't know how to spool the turbo.

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - RT

The other one tuning companies trot out is that manufacturers have to tune conservatively because of varying quality of diesel across the EU-and that our fuel is supposedly the best. It's bunk. British fuel meets EN590 standards, just like Frech and German fuel.

EN590 just sets very strict standards, some minimums, some maximums - mostly to do with pollutants - there are variations in fuel energy content dependent on the oil field that the crude came from and it's exact refining process.

French diesel is generally reckoned to have a higher energy content than UK diesel - but that's a good reason for not chipping here !

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - spoonfed

Hey guys!

Firstly I hope I'm asking in the right place; it seems that this thread is closest to what I'm looking for. I’m looking for advice from some more knowledgeable like-minded people.

Basically I've had my 1.3 JTD MiTo for a few months now and I've recently considered performance tuning.

I work between the UK and South Africa and have been recently referred to a local company near my place in Cape Town by a friend.

I'd want a proper job doing and would hate to waste money getting it done only to find that it was the wrong choice, or worse, the wrong company.

They offer diesel chip tuning which was the one "buzzword/phrase" I've been advised to investigate.

I'm not particularly savvy with all the lingo on the website though, so I was hoping to get some confirmation from the experts ;) that they seem like a reputable enough company in terms of the services they offer.

Thanks in advance for any advice you may be able to provide.

Kind regards

Liam

Citroen CCrosser - Diesel Tuning - unthrottled

They look like an amateurish outfit. Glossy website but not a huge amount of history or substance.

Not sure how much choice you'll have in South Africa though!