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Taxi?
5 year/100,000 miles = Chevy. Which model was this?
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I'm amazed any Korean car is £25,000. £100+ a week in depreciation over three years and concerned about a few quid on an oil filter.
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Depreciation on Korean cars is less severe than Ford/Vauxhall these days.
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Taxi?
5 year/100,000 miles = Chevy. Which model was this?
Chevy captiva 2.2 diesel 7 seat. checked this morning out of interest, £7 more for the original filter.
.Not a taxi, but if someone wants to gamble with their warranty, who am i to stop them.
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Korean brands do have expensive service parts but the difference in cost, between a £3 pattern filter and a £7 branded one is peanuts if a claim has to be made under the warranty.
Whatever brand of car I buy, I consider the whole cost of ownership before buying - including dealer servicing during the warranty period - having bought a Korean (Hyundai) I know I'm going to get ripped off for about £1,000 for the first 4 services when my good local independent would only charge about £800 for the 4 - but what's £200 on a £20,000+ car in return for hassle-free warranty handling.
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(Normally the only part required for the first service is an oil filter (and possibly a sump plug washer), how much is the saving, £5.00 max at a guess.)
If £5 was the saving ,it would be lunacy ,however it's not ,a typical first service ,not much more than an oil change, costs £100 at a main dealer.Do that yourself and you would be looking at a saving of £75 .My local garage charges £40 to change the oil and filter ,a saving of £60 .
If the above were typical savings on servicing it would still make sense to use a main dealer ,it's not .
Consequent costs on later servicing are often £400 to £500 ,the same service from my local garage costs £150 to £200 ,a typical saving of £250 .It follows that you will save £1000 to £1500 ,over a 3 year typical ownership .To me it seems that you are paying for the warranty by paying inflated service charges .
Would your car suffer from being serviced outside the franchise network ,probably not ,once a car is out of warranty ,most owners have the servicing done by a local garage ,the fear of being out of warranty is what keeps them with the franchise ,not the quality of work ,and certainly not because the service provided is value for money .
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But surely the problem isn't being serviced at an independent, VAT-registered garage; the problem is using parts not considered adequate to retain the warranty.
The difference in price between a main dealer-supplied oil filter and a factor-supplied pattern part is surely pennies.
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depends, it may not be a uk car, it maybe imported from say cyprus without much of a guarantee. depends how much you paid for the car. and depends if you are using it in a way which invalidates the gurantee anyways such as a pace car on the local race track. and so on.
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(The difference in price between a main dealer-supplied oil filter and a factor-supplied pattern part is surely pennies.)
I'm not sure that the difference is pennies ,however I understand your point .the issue is the total cost of a service . Main dealers typically are charging £120 an hour for servicing ,my local independant charges £48 .Thats the major reason for the difference.
I appreciate that a buyer has the right to have his car serviced where he chooses and that subject to certain conditions the dealer must honour the manufacturers warranty . However I know from experience that the dealer will be less than helpfull if you attempt to make a warranty claim ,when a car has been serviced outside the network .its understandable ,the majority of dealer profits come from servicing and part supply .
Finally I wonder what the average cost of warranty claims are during the first three years of new car ownership ,cars are generally more reliable than they used to be . Personally I would prefer to save the money on main dealer servicing and take my chances with the warranty .
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The OP was only talking about someone wanting a pattern filter instead of a genuine filter. There was no mention made as to whether the owner was going to service the car himself or use a non franchised garage.
We own a Kia. I did the franchise v local garage servicing (using genuine parts) excercise some time ago. The cost was about £50 to £70 a year less, but I would still have to take to car to a Kia dealer to have the annual paint/body check carried out, its included in the franchise dealer service but they charge about an hours labour if you only want the body check and stamp in the book. The £50 to £70 saving soon evapourates.
If the person being referred to by the OP plans to do his own servicing on his new car and invalidate his warranty he must be clinically insane. He should buy a 3 year old Ford if he wants to do that (and save even more money).
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What would YOU offer, Tony G, example 2 identical 3 and a bit year old cars, out of warranty, average mileage (approx) 1. main dealer history, all in order. or 2 . National chain or indie servicing. Which car is worth more? say golf 1.6 diesel ot focus 1,6 diesel of citroen 1.6 diesel choose any of the cars above, or if you like any cars of your choice.
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Hi jd,
I've worked in car sales for the last thirty years ,buying and selling cars ,finance etc .Its a myth that dealers pay a premium for cars with a full main dealer service history ,as I said in an earlier post ,dealers make profit from servicing and parts supply , very little from new car sales.
It follows that dealers will continue to promote the myth ,that having a full dealer service history will add value to a three year old part exchange car.
The driving factors that decide a three year old cars value ,are desirability ,is it a used car that will sell .Colour ,a silver car will always sell quicker than a dark blue or green car ,condition ,does a car smell of dogs ,does it need a new set of tyres ,are the paintwork and the interior good ,is it due a cambelt ,etc .
All the above are the things that determine The three year old value of a car ,not who serviced it ,stamps in the service book are just as relevant whether from a main dealer or an independant garage when a cars value is assessed at three years old by a used car buyer .
Next time you go to an auction ,bca etc ,listen to the auctioneer ,what he will say is that a car has 3 4 or 6 stamps in the book ,they never mention who serviced the car ,it's not relevant to trade buyers.
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A stamp in a service book means fek all. You can buy them from e-bay or even locally. To ensure the work has been done you need to see the invoices.
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I've worked in car sales for the last thirty years ,buying and selling cars ,finance etc .Its a myth that dealers pay a premium for cars with a full main dealer service history.
Well Tony, me too, But I have always been asked if the car has full dealer history.
A trader buys from auction, adds his margin and if it does not sell re-shunts it back. If it has problems if it has been sold with either a useless low limit warranty that the dealer will attempt to say has signed away the customer rights, or flog an equally poor warranty at an inflated price taking 25% commission.
Personally, 1. because i can afford it I change at expiry of warranty to avoid extra costs, but buy my cars at 6 -12 months at usually about 50% off list. The independant trader, who has previously given me top book for previous cars i have passed on grabbed my last one, and sold it in a week, but it had full main dealer servicing and needed washing.
2. Sadly for the vast majority of "punters" they are between a rock and a hard place with franchised and independant dealers all too ready to lie and cheat, and give useless 3 month warranties. At least with a younger 3 year old from a franchised dealer there is some sort of maufacturer approved warranty, witness a friend who bought an approved audi, only to find the service not done as agreed, and multiple faults on the car, AND Audi, bless them MADE the dealer fix it. all this in the home of the concrete cows.
Yep, you might be the exception, but after starting in 1966, all those years a
go, i wouldn't belive a motor trader if he said the americans had landed on the moon.
Edited by justadriver on 16/08/2012 at 19:30
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(Well Tony, me too, But I have always been asked if the car has full dealer history.
A trader buys from auction, adds his margin and if it does not sell re-shunts it back. )
Jd ,neither statement makes rings true . You've ALWAYS been asked if a car has a full dealer service history ?.I am still selling cars and dont ask or rarely get asked if a car has a full dealer service history .
Traders buy from auction and if doesn't sell ,put it back through an auction .No way, you would definetly lose money doing that .The best way to sell a non seller is to reduce the price to cost ,I do that with mine and almost always clear them without losing money . Often I will take a car in part exchange against a slow seller ,the part exchange will go on to sell at a profit .
The one point I would agree with is warranties ,they offer very little , I don't attempt to sell them as an add on for a profit .A buyer expects less from a free warranty than one he's paid for .In addition I'm always very clear as to how little a warranty covers .
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The driving factors that decide a three year old cars value ,are desirability ,is it a used car that will sell .Colour ,a silver car will always sell quicker than a dark blue or green car ,condition ,does a car smell of dogs ,does it need a new set of tyres ,are the paintwork and the interior good ,is it due a cambelt ,etc
That's why I always end up with the slightly tatty green car in need of a new set of tyres on the front. I use it to my advantage -- the car is cheaper in the first place, and I wait until I know it's been on the forecourt for a month or more. Then the dealer is desperate to get rid, and I kick him in the balls. Usually works!
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(. Then the dealer is desperate to get rid, and I kick him in the balls. Usually works!)
Come on ,this reads like a fantasy ,you buy a car that nobody else wants ,that's why he sells it cheap. The dealer is glad to get shut ,but then he would have bought it cheap anyway ! He's probably thinking what a mug ,we made a profit and sold a lemon ,nice one .
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Edited by tony g on 16/08/2012 at 21:48
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