Reliant Robin - Bobbin Threadbare

The 'Rugged Robin':

A man has modified a Reliant Robin to include caterpillar tracks and a Browning machine gun:

uk.cars.yahoo.com/news/%E2%80%98take-that-jeremy-c...l

Road legal, and MOT free (cat track vehicles don't need one) but is it legal to drive with the Vickers and the Browning on it....?!

Also I saw two Willys jeeps this afternoon, for fans of those!

Reliant Robin - unthrottled

If you were to shoot the Browning at a traverse angle, would the recoil cause the Robin to topple?

Reliant Robin - John Boy

That's rather wonderful! Thanks for posting it, BT.

Reliant Robin - Leif
A man has modified a Reliant Robin to include caterpillar tracks and a Browning machine gun:

It would be the ideal vehicle for an army to launch a surprise attack. The enemy would be so incapacitated by laughter, that you would be past their lines, and in control in no time. Errr ... assuming it didn't fall over when cornering ...

Reliant Robin - Bobbin Threadbare

Based on my conservation of momentum calcs (the total mom. of system is zero), assuming that the gun and car form one rigid body, the recoil velocity of the car is 1.41 m/s when a Browning .50 shell is fired from it (mass 700g, ejection velocity 908 m/s used as an example) facing forwards. The kinetic energy of the vehicle is about 450J. To get the car to tip over, you need an energy equivalent to that of lifting the car, if it's tipping from one end. If the gun fires straight and the pivot is back of the cat tracks, PE= mgh gives about 14000J to flip up. Thus it won't. I assumed it would flip end on end because any sideways momentum is too small to bother with!

If turn the gun 90° and fire across the doors of the car, total momentum of the system is still zero, and the recoil will be the same but it's pushing the car sideways instead of backwards. The KE of the car is the same, and you still need to effectively lift the car to tip it over. PE = mgh still applies, but h is now smaller. You need over 6000J of energy to tip the car ...so still not going to happen.

Reliant Robin - unthrottled

Eh? To get the car to topple sideways you simply need to move the effective centre of mass outside of the area of the tyres' contact area with the ground. For the rear axle, this is almost impossible. But for the front axle only a small shift is required.

nb. The weight of a bullet is measured in GRAINS, not grams! (1 grain =1/7000 lb. or ~0.0065 grams) so that throws out the momentum calculations considerably! You also neglected the mass of the propellant which whilst much less than the projectile contributes disproportionately to the recoil because it exits the muzzle at a much higher velocity than the projectile.

C+ Mrs Threadbare. Detention.

I'm going to try and solve the problem using moments and impulses. Since it is a rigid body approximation, do you think that it is valid to consider the effect of one round only, or would a time averaged impulse based on the cylic rate of the gun be more appropriate?!

Reliant Robin - Bobbin Threadbare

Eh? To get the car to topple sideways you simply need to move the effective centre of mass outside of the area of the tyres' contact area with the ground. For the rear axle, this is almost impossible. But for the front axle only a small shift is required.

nb. The weight of a bullet is measured in GRAINS, not grams! (1 grain =1/7000 lb. or ~0.0065 grams) so that throws out the momentum calculations considerably! You also neglected the mass of the propellant which whilst much less than the projectile contributes disproportionately to the recoil because it exits the muzzle at a much higher velocity than the projectile.

C+ Mrs Threadbare. Detention.

I'm going to try and solve the problem using moments and impulses. Since it is a rigid body approximation, do you think that it is valid to consider the effect of one round only, or would a time averaged impulse based on the cylic rate of the gun be more appropriate?!

I thought that was heavy - but I know absolutely nothing about guns or shells at all. I found a website with the masses and it had 'g' after each value. I assumed therefore that it's grams! No, physicists ignore the propellant. 'Spherical chicken in a vacuum' and all that. It's Dr. Threadbare. I tried with moments - to be honest it was too faffy and I couldn't be bothered - I'm a quantum physicist anyway. Stick with one single round!
Reliant Robin - unthrottled

I'm a quantum physicist anyway. Stick with one single round!

Bah! Presumably the car can be both toppled and upright simultaneously until it is observed. Well, I'm going to collapse the upright solution and say it topples! No maths required.

Reliant Robin - oldroverboy
One of the funniest things when I worked in switzerland was my boss (who imported reliant on the side) getting into a Robin and it leaned over quite a long way. (he was about 22stone) needless to say he didn't try driving it!
Reliant Robin - Avant

Thanks for posting that, Bobbin.

If it's got a front wheel from a Hillman Imp, it ain't 'rugged' !