Any Make - Self Drive Cars - Mikem3

The latest Buzz is about cars that drive themselves, a topic that surfaces every

several years when a manufacturer shows a train of cars driving in a line and

that they follow each other keeping apart no matter what speed changes occur.

These are all, I assume, new models straight off the production line, so how

would this "Concept" work with a mixture of makes of cars including old models,

are they fitted with standard brakes, or is there an electrical induction system

installed that won't wear out.

The braking is only one question, there are probably many more.

According to Saturday's Telegraph Motoring section they could be here and on

the road between 3 & 10 years.

This would is a good idea, but somehow I think that a lot more than GPS

needs to be taken into account.

Any comments?

Mike.

Any Make - Self Drive Cars - unthrottled

The technology has existed for some time. It's never going to happen because no OEM would want to assume the liability for the lifetime of the car.

Even cars with self parking capability, require the driver to press the accelerator pedal while manoeuvreing-so that they artre legally in control of the vehicle.

Any Make - Self Drive Cars - Bobbin Threadbare

People's inattentiveness on the roads is bad enough without robots in charge........

Any Make - Self Drive Cars - davecooper

It will happen, just like driverless trains happened. It might take 50 years or more during which time more and more control of the car will be taken out of the drivers hands. Like everyone says, the driver is the weakest link in the quest for safer driving.

Any Make - Self Drive Cars - unthrottled

No it won't. Driverless trains are on rails, and any junctions are computer controlled. Nor do trains have to contend with erratic pedestrian movements. Then you have the violations in the highway code that are essential for smooth running of the road network (merging and letting on-coming traffic turn right for instance). There are too many judgement cals for driverless to be practical.

Take automatic gearboxes for eaxample. Their biggest weakness is that they cannot predict driver intent because the electronics cannot see the road ahead. Autos either require an oversized engine so that gear selection is not critical or start hunting for gears every time the driver modulates the throttle pressure. Whereas a manual can be in the right gear almost every time with far fewer redundant changes. Not all automation is desirable.

Any Make - Self Drive Cars - davecooper

There has been a system proposed for motorways where traffic would be picked up by an automatic system and then accelerated into spaces automatically made in the inside lane. All motorway traffic would be driverless and would be gapped accordingly. All motorway traffic could safely travel at 100mph+. The exit junction could either be pre-programmed or chosen during the journey. You would then be automatically taken off the motorway where the car would revert from its driverless mode to allow normal driving again. This is similar to the system on the film "I Robot". Todays science fiction.....

Any Make - Self Drive Cars - unthrottled

It would make sense on motorways because vehicles could (theoretically) be closely bunched and take advantage of the slipstream effect which is the dominant factor in high speed fuel consumption. However, there are big problems with liability (the OEMs won't be interested in being liable for accidents over the lifetime of the car). Then there's the difficulty of driverless cars predicting the movements of human operated cars.

But the biggest hurdle is that drivers do not want to give up control of the car. Couples argue endlessly over whose turn it is to drive and the only time anyone wants to be a passenger is on the way back from a party.

Remember when digital gauges were 'the next big thing'? Consumers preferred analogue HVAC and tachometer/speedometer gauges.

Just because a technology becomes technically feasible doesn't make its acceptanvce inevitable.

Any Make - Self Drive Cars - Pondlife

The Google driverless car is interesting.

Nevada now has laws covering driverless cars, and a Google driverless car got the first license earlier this month.

They've got a few driverless cars in the fleet, and have clocked up quite a lot of miles. Not sure how close it is to being a mature enough technology for general public use though - that's probably a way off yet.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_driverless_car