Political comments? - Ben 10

Amazing how a forum exudes a particular political colour amongst it's posters which reveals the true nature of their leanings and thoughts. They always raise issues around and against left of centre support, anti union, anti local government, public pensions and the like. Or when Tory criticism of Labour dominates the news, especially in the dying days of the last Labour government. Well, it is funny that no mention of the landslide Labour gains, and the coalition losses can't russle up any comment whatsoever. I would, but I would be a lone soul who would quickly be rounded on by the dyed in the wool right wingers that control that particular forum. For the new ones on here, I apologise as you no not what I'm on about, but the cross posters will. Well done the reds. Is this an omen for Liverpool to beat Chelsea today? ;-))

Edited by Avant on 06/05/2012 at 01:31

Certain Car 4rum - unthrottled

I can't make any sense of this. Are the 'right wingers' on this forum (HJ) or the other one? If you bring politics (of any persuassion) into a conversation, you can expect sharp rebuttals. It's one of those marmite topics.

Certain Car 4rum - Zippy123

That would be c*******?

Edited by Zippy123 on 05/05/2012 at 19:51

Certain Car 4rum - Zippy123

Another place is a swear word apparently!

;-)

Edited by Zippy123 on 05/05/2012 at 19:52

Certain Car 4rum - Ben 10
Unthrottled, clue is in the title. You're intelligent enough to work this out, surely. Or do you need me to spell it out. Just go over and take a look. No thread on the recent elections. Well not yet. Give them time. There will be some retort to this by a crosser at some point. Avant, stay where you are sir! ;-)))
Certain Car 4rum - bathtub tom

I'm what I suppose you call a crosser. I come here to debate motoring subjects, not politics.

Political comments? - Avant

We can debate any topics we like in this non-motoring section: but can we please avoid criticising other forums, or their members, on here (that's one of the reasons why we try to prevent them being named).

I've renamed the thread so that people can comment on current politics if they wish to - but as Bathtub Tom says most people on this forum are more interested in cars and motoring.

Political comments? - concrete

We can debate any topics we like in this non-motoring section: but can we please avoid criticising other forums, or their members, on here (that's one of the reasons why we try to prevent them being named).

I've renamed the thread so that people can comment on current politics if they wish to - but as Bathtub Tom says most people on this forum are more interested in cars and motoring.

Here, here! any person with views on politics will have their thinking and opinions swayed by their views. It is sometimes easy to detect this, although it is not deliberate, in certain posts. It is just the way life is. The art is to avoid the slant and concentrate on the issue. Seems to work quite well here, I think. Who are Chelsea and Liverpool by the way?

Cheers Concrete

Political comments? - FP

I'm sorry, but have I got this right?

Ben puts up a post on this forum to comment on his view that making a political posting on a certain other forum will make him "a lone soul who would quickly be rounded on by the dyed in the wool right wingers that control that particular forum"?

Is that it? Are we supposed to feel sorry for him? Or admire his cowardice in not posting on that other forum?

Political comments? - Ben 10

No FP. I'm not looking for sympathy. And I'm no coward.

There are enough people who post on both sites that will get the gist. I just noticed that no-one would comment on the drubbing the coalition got in the locals, that's all.

Tells you a lot about a forum IMO. Posting anything in opposition on this subject, not motoring, would just incur an avalanche of bullying from the majority, Thatcherite, self serving, me me, right wing brigade. In other words it would be a waste of my computer print to post there.

Political comments? - FP

What I meant to say in my previous posting and will add now, is to wonder why you're posting about it here.

As you say, there are people who post on both sites, so I guess you're hoping what you say will kind of percolate across.

But really, if your views are as strong as your post suggests ("Posting anything in opposition on this subject, not motoring, would just incur an avalanche of bullying from the majority, Thatcherite, self serving, me me, right wing brigade"), having a whinge about it here seems sneaky.

"Tells you a lot about a forum IMO." It seems to me you're using this forum to have a go at another forum. Some folk here might feel that is inappropriate.

Political comments? - bathtub tom

Perhaps someone here should start a thread on t'other side along the lines of:

There's a lily-livered wimp who thinks we're all to the right of Genghis Khan, but daren't say so.

Political comments? - unthrottled

This has got to be a wind-up.

Political comments? - bathtub tom

OK, I'll put my key away. ;>)

Political comments? - Dutchie

Why would it be a waste of time Ben?You might receive more support than you think.

Political comments? - Ben 10
My old dutch, we would be out on a limb The scales are stacked heavily on one side. ;-)
Political comments? - Avant

Oh go on, Ben - we know that you don't lack courage. The replies you get will tell you more about them than about you.

The fairest, and most needed, comments are those that apply to politicians on all sides - my own strongest feeling is that they are appallingly lacking in proper training for what are very responsible jobs. Those of us who are professionals spent several yearsqualifying and getting on-the-job experience: politicians get very little of that.

Political comments? - unthrottled

Quite.

I think you can judge a politician by the way they (don't) answer a question directed towards them. Now I accept that there are sometimes legitimate reasons to withhold information-but it is totally unacceptable to ignore the posed question and answer an entirely different question that has not been asked. After listening to political interviews I virtually always come away with little information other than the fact that the politician is more concerned about how the whips' office will respond to an answer rather than the electorate.

It's contemptuous-and sadly endemic on all sides.

my own strongest feeling is that they are appallingly lacking in proper training for what are very responsible jobs.

Yes. I get a queasy feeling every time I hear one of them waxing lyrical with regards to "growth". One is left with the distinct impression that they cannot distinguish between genuine economic growth and an inflationary blip. I think a lot of them would welcome the latter just for a brief boost n the polls.

Political comments? - Dutchie
Political comments? - Dutchie
Whatever they say (our politicans) do take it with a dose of salt.Can anybody explain to me how we carry on with this growth? Buy more rubbish every year what we don't need.Good health care is inportant but we have to take also responsibility for our own health.Change is difficult for people.Decent housing be able to afford to keep warm.Care for older people,that doesn't mean take all their savings or house to pay for it.When they need care.Education and leave the teachers alone for a few years to get on with it.In a general election I would like to see compulsary voting politics does effect everybody.
Political comments? - unthrottled

Good health care is inportant but we have to take also responsibility for our own health

Fat, chain smoking alcoholics save the healthcare system from total collapse. The point that everyone misses is that healthy people do eventually get ill-but they get ill when they are older. They still expect treatment, but recovery times are much longer-and you have to pay them a pension for the extra years they are alive.

Political comments? - Ben 10
Political comments? - Ben 10

< but can we please avoid criticising other forums, or their members, on here (that's one of the reasons why we try to prevent them being named).>

Unlike those over there doing the exact same thing on a HJ thread.

Political comments? - FP

You really seem to have a thing about "the other place", Ben. Unfortunately your references to it come over merely as whingeing.

Did you spot the following comments over there, by the way?

"Not sure I understand the antipathy towards HJ..."

"...found him very helpful..."

Things are done differently over there. There has never been any block on discussing HJ's site, unlike here - where, in fact, the restrictions have eased a little and where moderation generally is more of a light touch than it once was.

What do you really want? That "the other place" should ban references to HJ - or that HJ should allow you to moan unrestrictedly about "the other place"?

Get used to it.

Edited by FP on 11/05/2012 at 15:36

Political comments? - Ben 10

No. I don't think they should ban any references. I was just comparing like for like FP. And you think I'm moaning. No again, just making observations just like you lot do over there about HJ. You cherry picked a couple of nicer posts, what about the others you failed to mention. I can state an opinion, it is the crux of any forum isn't it. Free speech within guidelines and all that. You stop moaning FP. Who are you over there then? Too shy to post on both with same name. Whenever I stick up for this site, when other sites slag it off, you always seem to be the only one from there to jump on me. And if the mods don't believe me look at some of the posts I've made, and if no-one else here has worked it out, Focal Point is there. Jog on, and you get used to it.

Political comments? - FP

Some poor argument here.

“...you think I'm moaning. No again, just making observations just like you lot do over there about HJ.” This is disingenuous. You are certainly doing more than “making observations” when you refer to “the dyed in the wool right wingers that control that particular forum” or “They always raise issues around and against left of centre support, anti union, anti local government, public pensions and the like.” That seems very much like sniping from the side-lines to me, not mere observation.

“You cherry picked a couple of nicer posts...” I was trying to show that there was a more balanced discussion than you seem to believe possible.

“Who are you over there then? Too shy to post on both with same name.” This is quite amusing, coming from someone who has strong views about the other place, but is (it seems) “too shy” to post anything there!

“Whenever I stick up for this site, when other sites slag it off...” so you do have an agenda – it’s not just about “making observations”. And why stick up for HJ here? You’re preaching to the converted – do it over there, where it counts.

“...you always seem to be the only one from there to jump on me.” Maybe it’s something to do with what you say and the way you say it.

Yes, I am FocalPoint on the other site. I don’t see why I have to have the same name here as there. Perhaps you would care to check the kind of posts I make “over there”. I try to be thoughtful and sympathetic on internet forums and elsewhere, but I one thing I can’t abide is people who don’t seem able to look at themselves.

Probably this thread will get locked soon, or deleted, and that will be no great loss. It’s a pity it was even started.

Enough.

Political comments? - Avant

Enough - I agree.

If anyone wants a political discussion, they can start another thread - but there are probably more appropriate forums to do it on than this.