All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Roly93

This article is all very well and good, but the cheapest Michelin tyres for my car are nearly £90 each dearer than a reasonable equivalent, and I dont mean an unknown Chinese brand either ! I know Michelins are good as we have them on our newish focus but they are too expensive.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Avant

Kumhos have lasted well on my Z3 and are quite a bit cheaper than Michelins.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Collos25

Michelin produce under another name exactly the same tyres at a fraction of the cost the fact they are produced in China puts a lot off but they are standard issue on a lot of Far East sourced vehicles and I have not heard mountains of complaints.I think the name they trade under is Kormaron or something similar.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - RT

Tyre makers can, and do, use different compounds for different national markets so it can be foolhardy to buy cheap imports of big name tyres. US versions often have very hard compound for mega-mileage warranty, eg 100,000 miles but reduced grip while "emerging markets" often get very cheap and short-lived compound.

The only visible difference is the "Made in ......" moulding - the tread pattern and model names can be identical.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Collos25

Thats funny so Ford,Opel,Kia,VW,Hyundai,Skoda to name a few are guilty of putting death traps on the road I would think

most normal motorist would not tell the difference My Merecedes is running on Kumho winter tyres and to be honest I cannot tell the difference between these and the summer Contis they replaced.

Edited by Collos25 on 14/04/2012 at 17:38

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - RT

Thats funny so Ford,Opel,Kia,VW,Hyundai,Skoda to name a few are guilty of putting death traps on the road I would think

most normal motorist would not tell the difference My Merecedes is running on Kumho winter tyres and to be honest I cannot tell the difference between these and the summer Contis they replaced.

I was referring to CHEAP versions of premium brands, imported into the UK but intended for other markets.

I've got Kumho KL21 as OE on my Santa Fe - they're wearing fast and don't grip well on cold, dry tarmac - I'll be glad to change them for some Vredestein Quatrac.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Auristocrat

Kormoran tyres are made in Poland by Stomil - Michelin bought Stomil about five years ago.Other Michelin subsidiaries selling tyres in Europe include BF Goodrich, Kleber, Riken, and Tigar.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Collos25

They are also made in China.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - 1litregolfeater

I had 3 sets of Kumhos which were very good, and I searched out Kumhos for the Astra recently.

For my Ford, I couldn't afford the Kumhhos when the price went up a few years ago so I bought some Nankangs, which are very good as well.

The Nankangs are better than Michelins, they have good grip, good economy, but are very quiet as well in comparison.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - RT

I had 3 sets of Kumhos which were very good, and I searched out Kumhos for the Astra recently.

For my Ford, I couldn't afford the Kumhhos when the price went up a few years ago so I bought some Nankangs, which are very good as well.

The Nankangs are better than Michelins, they have good grip, good economy, but are very quiet as well in comparison.

Kumho seem to be using inferior compound of late - the Solus KL21 I have won't last even half the time of previous Kumhos - and the cold weather grip is poor despite being an all-season tyre.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Auristocrat

The Honest John articles is misleading, as it implies the Michelin is the only Best Buy for this tyre size, whereas The Which? report gives three Best Buys for each tyre size they tested. The Michelin is only one of three Best Buys for this tyre size.

For 165/70 R14 Summer tyres, the 3 Best Buys are: 1) Continental ContiEcoContact5 [scored 72%]; Michelin Energy Saver [scored 70%]; Pirelli Cinturato P1 [scored 68%].

For 175/65 R14 Summer tyres, the 3 Best Buys are: 1) Continental ContiPremiumContact2 [scored 69%]; 2) Uniroyal RainExpert (67%); 3) Michelin Energy Saver [67%].

Michelin got Best Buys in four of the nine tyre sizes tested.

I can provide the results for the other tyre sizes tested if people are interested.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - madf

Bought 4 off last version of Michelin Energy Savers 2 years ago. 4 tyres, plus fitting, balancing and track alignement cost £240 for Yaris from ATS.. they had a 25% off offer.

So far no wear apparent. Perfectly acceptable in dry, wet and snow..

If I was not planning to keep the car for at leat 5 years, I might have bought cheaper... but the cheapest quality equivalent like for like was about £210 so it made little difference. (175/65/R14)

Edited by madf on 14/04/2012 at 18:25

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Roly93

Bought 4 off last version of Michelin Energy Savers 2 years ago. 4 tyres, plus fitting, balancing and track alignement cost £240 for Yaris from ATS.. they had a 25% off offer.

Unfortunately 4 of the appropriate michelins for my car would be £760 and thats a good deal online as well. So thats why I started the thread !

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Collos25

You did not look very hard.Thats the Yaris by the way.

Edited by Collos25 on 14/04/2012 at 21:10

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - FrancePaul

The Honest John articles is misleading, as it implies the Michelin is the only Best Buy for this tyre size, whereas The Which? report gives three Best Buys for each tyre size they tested. The Michelin is only one of three Best Buys for this tyre size.

For 165/70 R14 Summer tyres, the 3 Best Buys are: 1) Continental ContiEcoContact5 [scored 72%]; Michelin Energy Saver [scored 70%]; Pirelli Cinturato P1 [scored 68%].

For 175/65 R14 Summer tyres, the 3 Best Buys are: 1) Continental ContiPremiumContact2 [scored 69%]; 2) Uniroyal RainExpert (67%); 3) Michelin Energy Saver [67%].

Michelin got Best Buys in four of the nine tyre sizes tested.

I can provide the results for the other tyre sizes tested if people are interested.

Hi Auristocrat

Do you have any results for tyre size 215 / 45 / R17? Thanks

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Auristocrat

Nearest size is 225/45 R17's.

Best buys are: 1) Pirelli Cinturato P7 (W speed rating) - scored 69%; 2) Goodyear Eagle F1 (Y speed rating) - scored 67%; 3) Dunlop SP Sport Maxx TT (Z speed rating) - scored 67%.

The Michelin Pilot Sport 3 (Y speed rating) came 4th with a score of 63% and failed to be a Best Buy.

There was a Which? 'Don't Buy' in this size - the Wanli S-1063 (W speed rating and an XL [extra load] tyre) which scored only 10% !!

The scoring is based on a combination of scores for dry braking, dry handling, wet braking, wet handling (straight), wet handling (bend), noise, fuel use and wear.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - woogie

I use michelins when I can get them but I only ever buy second hand ones despite the warnings about buying secondhand as I hardly ever drive on fast roads just pootle around.Never had a problem with grip or wear so prob the best in my experience

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - concrete

You pays your money etc! At 150k miles I am on my 5th set of tyres. Original and second set were Michelin Primacy 225/45/17. Third set I was persuaded to change to Goodyear (I think). What a mistake, as soon as they started to wear the road noise increased dramatically. No problem with grip etc, don't race around much but they made for an uncomfortable few thousand miles until I changed them. Never again. I returned to Michelin and have been happy since. You only need a couple of thousand miles extra from a tyre to make it a good buy in retrospect. Cheers Concrete

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - unthrottled

I'm about to buy my first set of used tyres because I don't think my car is going last another 25,000 miles!

Do part worn tyre places let you select your own tyres? I want to have a go fitting them myself too.

BTW, I really like the 4 michelin energy tyres I've got-and on 175/70 R13s they're not too pricey.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - 1litregolfeater

I'm not going to discuss tyres with anyone ever again.

Normally sensible people lose all reason when tyres are discussed.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Hamsafar

In Novermber, all tyres sold must have new EU tyre labels at the point of sale. They will be rated for for drive-by noise, wet performance and rolling resistance. I will be waiting for this and trying to stretch my existing tyres until then.

Edited by Hamsafar on 17/04/2012 at 12:22

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - RT

In Novermber, all tyres sold must have new EU tyre labels at the point of sale. They will be rated for for drive-by noise, wet performance and rolling resistance. I will be waiting for this and trying to stretch my existing tyres until then.

Labeled like this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire_label

We need a comprehensive online database to help us search for tyres - a bit like Tirerack but for European tyres.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Auristocrat

I included this in an earlier post. An extract from the Which? article on the new tyre labelling system:

"Noise has also been added, essentially treating this as another environmental concern.

Exterior noise levels are split into three categories and the figure is the noise level measured in decibel (dB). The curved bars coming out of the tyre show it in comparison with the new European tyre exterior maximum noise levels to be introduced until 2016 (72dB).

1 black sound wave = 3dB less than the future tighter European limit (very quiet).

2 black sound waves = already compliant with the future European limit (fairly quiet).

3 black sound waves = compliant with the current European limit but not with the new one (noisiest allowable).

While it will help drive noise levels down, we consider this less useful to owners, (and perhaps more relevant to their neighbours!), as it is based on a track side measurement of exterior tyre noise.

Most owners will never experience the noise from this perspective and are unlikely to be inclined to change their choice based on this rating. Our own noise assessments are of more use to buyers, as they consider measured exterior noise, and interior tyre noise, subjectively assessed by two testers in the car."

However the new system does not include a Wear rating. Which? offer the only independent test results for tyre wear in the UK, allowing subscribers to compare tyres on this important factor before buying.

Edited by Auristocrat on 17/04/2012 at 12:46

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - unthrottled

"our own noise assessments are of more use to buyers, as they consider measured exterior noise, and interior tyre noise, subjectively assessed by two testers in the car."

The weasel word 'subjective' makes me think that these assessments will be about as much use as a chocolate teapot. Surely it can't be that hard to record the sound of the road noise in the car and subtract engine noise digitally? (They do this in night clubs, so normal conversation of the clubbers can be heard by the security team-creepy, eh?)

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - TeeCee

Weasel words indeed.

Personal experience says that tyre noise for a given type varies greatly according to the vehicle it's fitted to. A tyre that's virtually silent on one type of car can be horrifically noisy on another.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - Auristocrat

The difference is that the official noise 'assessments' are done from an environmental viewpoint and assess noise from the outside of the vehicle. Of no use to buyers at all.

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - RT
However the new system does not include a Wear rating. Which? offer the only independent test results for tyre wear in the UK, allowing subscribers to compare tyres on this important factor before buying.

That could be done easily by making the US requirement of UTQG labelling a mandatory requirement in Europe - most tyres on sale here have them anyway.

Edited by RT on 17/04/2012 at 14:22

All - Michelin's Energy Saver tyre Which best buy - oldroverboy

I'm not going to discuss tyres with anyone ever again.

Normally sensible people lose all reason when tyres are discussed.

Normally sensible people lose all perspective when discussing cars !!!!!!!

I got 4 michelin energy tyres from my local vauxhall dealer who had a customer who did not want the 205/60/16s on his vauxhall for the princely sum of £316 fitted to the chevrolet epica. They have vastly inproved the handling and "feel" of the car when driving, although i don't think they are much quieter, The original kumhos lasted 15.600 miles on the front, so we will see.

Edited by OldRoverboy on 22/04/2012 at 09:44