Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - pint6x

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Edited by BorisTheSpider on 16/02/2012 at 09:42

Any - nameofgarage(Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - pint6x

for some reason the original post didn't appear:The worst experience I have had trying to buy a car in 25 yrs. I saw a car which would suit on their website. I was interested in the claim that they guarantee lowest price. I found 15 more cars available on autotrader. In each case, it was better spec, less miles & cheaper than theirs. I printed the details. I rang & spoke with Jason xxxx, who said he would deal with me when I came along. When I turned up, Jason was busy so Dave dealt with me. He started taking details, I suggested he was premature & I wanted to see the car 1st & give them a chance to value mine. At each point I was told "this is the way we do things" or "it's our procedure". At all stages, the assumption was that the deal was done. I was asked what I wanted for my car, so I told them. I was told to sign an agreement stating that I would go ahead with purchase if they gave me the deal I wanted on my car. I wanted to sleep on it, but there was pressure to sign. I did but refused to hand over a debit card. We went out to see the car, it was OK. To value my car, Dave gets Jason, who told me he would take over so we went out to my car. I said I wasn't happy with the high pressure sell & the over-familiar way I was treated. He asked what I wanted & I said I wanted to eff off & leave - I shouldn't have said this, but I was fed up. Jason got aggressive & abusive as we exited the building out of earshot of other staff. As we walked thru the door he barged me as if he wanted to fight. Reaching the carpark, he said he wouldn't give a penny for my "effing" car, I said his cars were overpriced & I'd shown them up as a ripoff. I felt with nameofgarage I would avoid the sales tactics at the shoddier end of the market. My experience showed that the tactics are alive & well at nameofgarage. You must avoid this place & other branches & advise everyone to do the same. Incidently, they write a lot of the reviews on the internet hemselves. You'll find various reviews gushing in their praise (I bought 3 or 4 cars from them etc. - that'll be them) then you'll find the reviews from the general public, usually with a similar story to mine.

Edited by Avant on 18/02/2012 at 15:25

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - motorprop

Sobering words - well done for having the gumption to write this, name names, and to the moderators for once not panicking and running away from the issue (i.e turning it off without publishing )- or are they snoozing this time and they will pull this ?

Edited by BorisTheSpider on 16/02/2012 at 09:42

Any - nameofgarage Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - jamie745

Usually Avant only allows posts which praise the dealerships they name and deletes any which state unfortunate truths.

Pravda would've been proud.

Edited by BorisTheSpider on 16/02/2012 at 09:42

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - gordonbennet

Blimey the OP is still there, amazing, i'll give it another day at most.

Sounds about the same as i've heard from everyone i know who's been there, most unpleasant experience, but then they are a finance house who just happen to supply a car of sorts with the deal.

Shark infested waters.

Edited by BorisTheSpider on 16/02/2012 at 09:42

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - Bromptonaut

Usually Avant only allows posts which praise the dealerships they name and deletes any which state unfortunate truths.

Pravda would've been proud.

I think the OP has provided an example of how to do a critical piece properly; a straightforward narrative account of what happened.

If these sort of things are gilded with acussations or allegations of criminality or dubious ethics the publisher and mods will quite rightly get very nervous.

EDIT. At the moment I typed this Boris was neutering the post. Shame.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 16/02/2012 at 09:44

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - rpmmatt

Is firm anything like Carcraft?

A few years ago I tried to trade in a petrol for a similar size and spec diesel. They had lots of choice so was the only reason I went. Big mistake as the car sales is only a method to sell shoddy and expensive credit agreements. As I had cash, I found it hard to even get them to sell to me, and when they did, I ended with a total shed of car and had to chase then through court for my money back.

Edited by BorisTheSpider on 16/02/2012 at 09:43

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - Bromptonaut

I tried the Northampton branch about 7 years ago looking for a diesel Picasso. No trade in as our BX had failed MoT on quite costly bits and was bound for the scrappy.

Cars were not much different in price from the Cit franchise (then Evans Halshaw) but with warranty and much else as well chargeable as extra. EH were ppd to negotiate on price whereas CS attittude was take it or leave it & pressure to take finance.

I think their market is the sort of buyer who looks at the cost per week/month rather than cost to change.

Fair enough, but not my niche in the market.

Edited by BorisTheSpider on 16/02/2012 at 09:43

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - thunderbird

There have been 2 dodgy dealers with well publicised practices locally.

The first was well known for his less than perfect customer service. His downfall began when he took an off duty officer of the law to the boiler room to explain the terms and conditions of the warranty. Add to that the fact he was removing new parts from stock cars, replacing them with used and then claiming warranty work, obviously he lost the frachise, this finally resulted in his going out of bussiness. The site is now Kwik Fit, no progress there then.

The second was a company that had no cars on the forecourt and none in the showroom. Their bussiness model was to interogate the potential customer and find out what they could afford a month. They would then show them specific cars in the back yard that met these repayment terms. The deal pretended to give the customer £2000 for their old wreck. Premises now vacant.

Edited by BorisTheSpider on 16/02/2012 at 09:42

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - thunderbird

Why is boristhespider allowed to edit my last post and what has he done to it. Surely good manners would dictate that a simple line of text explaining the reason could be at least expected.

Perhaps I should go round editing all boristhespiders past and future posts.

Edited by thunderbird on 16/02/2012 at 10:06

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - bathtub tom

I wasted a couple of hours of my life at CS Northampton. That must have been ten years ago. It seems they haven't changed.

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - BorisTheSpider

I am one of the moderators, all I did was change the title of the post, I would usually add an explanation however I was in a rush so didn't in this instance.

Boris

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - jamie745

Knew it wouldnt be long before the HJ Pravda butchered this post. Heaven forbid anybodies allowed to report their experiences and state fact in a free country. Oh no, cant have that can we? Might offend somebody.

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - Pat L

Knew it wouldnt be long before the HJ Pravda butchered this post. Heaven forbid anybodies allowed to report their experiences and state fact in a free country. Oh no, cant have that can we? Might offend somebody.

But we don't actually know it IS fact, do we? All we have is pint's perception of an incident. Sorry to get all philosophical:)

Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - jamie745
Then why doesn't Avant and his fellow comrades also delete any thread where a member praises a certain dealership? We don't know that's real either do we?
Any - nameofgarage (Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - Avant

"As we walked thru the door he barged me as if he wanted to fight. Reaching the carpark, he said he wouldn't give a penny for my "effing" car".

There's no reason to doubt Pint6x's story, but in legal terms statements like the above have to be classed as allegations, and a public forum like this can't name and shame in this way. It's fine to name a dealer when just stating a fact, e.g. about a good or bad price offered: but anything personal may have another side to it, and we could possibly risk being sued for defamation.

By all means try other forums, but all reputable ones will have a similar policy for the same reasons.

As any thinking person realises, there is no such risk in praising a dealer!

Finally, again as thinking people know, if anyone has a complaint about the moderation of this forum, please E-mail moderators@honestjohn.co.uk instead of using a thread such as this.

Any - nameofgarage(Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - bonzo dog

I've no intention of suggesting the story was either false or exaggerated; the car rade has more than its share of obnoxious individuals & it seems to me like you got one of them.

I would however like to make some comments on your actions:

  1. they can justifiably claim to have the lowest prices becuase only they have THAT used car. If you were unhappy with the price why did you go to look at it.
  2. Their web-site clearly states that they have a no-haggle price policy - the price you see is the price you pay.
  3. It's their premises & they make the procedures.
  4. There may have been pressure but they did not force you to sign, again why did you?
  5. As you stated - you started the effing & blinding; whilst that is no reason to get physical it is understandable why he resorted to the same language - I've done the same if customers get verbal with me.

Put it down to experience & look elsewhere

Good luck

Any - nameofgarage(Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - RicardoB

Goodness me, who'd be a moderator?

(Actually, I am on another forum, and sometimes I have to do this sort of thing. In these days of much litigation, it frankly isn't worth the worry and hassle of showing people or business names, even if the original story is correct. Life's too short.)

Any - nameofgarage(Cardiff/Swindon/Northampton/Doncaster) - pint6x

Well well well, quite a few replies. Yup - I did use the first swear word, but having been messed around for the best part of an hour whilst they tried to extract first a signature and a credit card from me, I didn't feel I was going over the top.

I sent a full report of this charade to the place in question and received an apology, which quite frankly amazed me. I stand by this story and would happily sign an affidavit to that effect.

Having spent some time reading the woes of other people who have had a bad experience with this shower, I would urge everyone to avoid them like the plague and encourage anyone you know to do the same if they're in the market for a car.

As a contrast to this, whilst driving along the A4 near Reading, I passed a place called The Berkshire Fiesta Centre. Not having seen them before I stopped to have a look and saw a Mondeo estate which came close to what I was after. The salespeople couldn't have been more helpful. The chap said - "we're not here just to take your money for the car, we want to make sure it's what you're after, within your budget, and if we do the deal, make sure it gives you good service afterwards. In other words, we want to look after you". The car was really more than my budget so I didn't take it further, but with two or three sentences, that salesman did more to win me over than an entire decade spent visiting second hand car dealers. And it could not have been more diametrically opposed to the approach taken by the subject of this original thread. I have no link or involvement with The Berkshire Fiesta Centre, but their approach seemed spot on, and i would happily pay a bit extra if i thought they really were going to look after me.

I have no axe to grind with the majority of dealers trading, and there are some genuinely good people around, but the genuine shock of being treated in the way I was by this dealer really frightened me about the experience people can have in this industry. As a rugby prop forward of 6ft 2 and 18 stones, I felt intimidated, and i had done my homework. I wonder how many people have been strung up like a kipper by this shower.

And I never mentioned the hard sell about wanting me to watch a video about some paintwork protection coating they insisted i sit through (a bargain at about £400), the hard sell for the warranty not worth the paper it was written on - a very well documented case of someone who had the frighteners put on him for daring to sugest their warranty department might like to fix his expired gearbox. He sued and won the full cost of the work and parts.

I think this place works on the basis of being able to talk most people into a deal with their high-pressure tactics and getting people to sign early on before they really know what's happening, then bombarding them with fake legalise when they perhaps want to think again. The number of stories I've seen of people having massive difficulty getting their deposits back if they'd reserved a car then decided not to go through with it once they had seen it. Look on Scoot, look on google, look on reviewcentre, just beware that on that last place, there are clearly lots of very positive reviews which I understand have been posted there by employees or friends/relatives. The one thing is that as soon as anyone confronts them with the law, they tend to cave in very quickly and respond.

One guy placed a deposit and they then applied for finance. The finance was turned down, the guy was refused his money back "because it was his fault the finance was turned down" - unbelievable - don't just take my word for it - do some research, read, be amazed and above all, disgusted that this shower are allowed to continue to trade.

Edited by Avant on 21/02/2012 at 19:43