Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - RT

From the BBC News website www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16831793

Edited by Avant on 01/02/2012 at 20:11

Government abandons plans for bi-annual MoT tests. - Ethan Edwards

Good. I'd like to see fewer 'chimps' driving about with only the one working headlight and one working tail /brake light.

Personally I'm Clarkson-ion on this matter..I'd have his 'snipers on every bridge equipped with high powered rifles'.....

So rather than lessening MOT requirements I'd like to see the current ones actually enforced rigorously. On the spot fines of £50 etc Ditto for erroneous foglight usage, mis alligned lighting etc etc Make the b*****s pay up there and then or crush the vehicle.

BTW I've come to the conclusion that chimps is the correct description...they do show occasional signs of a rudimentary simian intelligence...

Government abandons plans for bi-annual MoT tests. - TeeCee

Don't worry, this will be more than made up for chimp-wise by the pointless "24x7 lights on" legislation causing bulbs to burn out that much more often.

Government abandons plans for bi-annual MoT tests. - Man without a plan

How on earth does keeping the MOT schedule as is, or extending to bi-annual make a difference to headlight bulbs needing replacement or foglight usage?

Surely its up to the police to pull more people over when driving without lights working or with fog lights on innapropriately.

Government abandons plans for bi-annual MoT tests. - Bromptonaut

How on earth does keeping the MOT schedule as is, or extending to bi-annual make a difference to headlight bulbs needing replacement or foglight usage?

Surely its up to the police to pull more people over when driving without lights working or with fog lights on innapropriately.

In theory yes but in practice there just are not that many police looking for minor traffic issues. Would surely be poor deployment of sworn Constables to use them that way. Might be a job for PCSOs though along with riding push bikes in traffic to catch the phone/text twits.

Plenty cars only get a look over at the annual MoT. Lighting is the visible tip of a much bigger iceberg involving safety critical systems. Extending it to two years would simply allow poor drivers to defer defects for even longer.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 01/02/2012 at 13:26

Government abandons plans for bi-annual MoT tests. - mss1tw

Even as a household with 7 vehicles (3 motorbikes, 3 cars, 1 van), all requiring MOT tests annually at £30+, I thought it was a b***** stupid idea.

Government abandons plans for bi-annual MoT tests. - carr

MoT's are every 2 years in France and there is no annual road tax.

Let's face it, the UK authorities are not going to adopt measures that remove any hassle or expense from motoring.

Government abandons plans for bi-annual MoT tests. - unthrottled

France and there is no annual road tax.

Good grief. I'm actually in agreement with the French! Road tax is about as logical an idea as window tax.

Edited by unthrottled on 01/02/2012 at 18:33

Government abandons plans for bi-annual MoT tests. - Red&Bold
Except in France there is a load of toll roads. I don't actually know but I expect that it will cost the same if not more than our annual road tax over the course of a year.
Government abandons plans for bi-annual MoT tests. - unthrottled

Except in France there is a load of toll roads

Yes, but you only pay for what you use-which makes sense. As opposed to paying a flat rate based upon the theoretical fuel consumption regardless of how many miles you drive.

I'm talking about the logic of the tax, rather than the amount.

Toll roads and fuel duty make sense. Road tax is daft.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - Avant

This heading confused me - I hadn't heard that the Gov't were ever going to have cars tested twice a year (bi-annual). I've changed it to biennial (every other year) which is what I think you meant, RT.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - jamie745

Im a bit split on this issue. On one hand we know many European nations including France and Germany have MOT's every two years and it hasnt resulted in the sky falling down or all the children dying there. We also know cars are put together much better than when the one-year legislation first came in. It'd cut down on red tape for motorists, give longer intervals between garages dreaming up bogus bills for things that dont need replacing etc

However, its all too common in this country for people to take the MOT certificate as gospel. Plenty of people go 'it has an MOT, its fine' and dont even check the tyre pressures for the next 12 months. Thats one thing, but its even worse when people know there is a problem with their car but go 'it doesnt need an MOT for 3 months so i'll leave it.' However in times when nobody has any money, its hardly surprising people will skimp on vehicle maintenance and that is probably the real reason why we cant do it.

Yes, but you only pay for what you use-which makes sense. As opposed to paying a flat rate based upon the theoretical fuel consumption regardless of how many miles you drive.

It'd be too complicated to 'pay for what you use' and it'd cost the motorist more. Any time the British Government tries to change anything it always results in the public's wallet becoming lighter, so they should just leave everything alone. Even if you dont agree with the current set up, you have to admit British incompetance means you're better off leaving it alone rather than risk what destruction they'd bring us if they tried to change it.

Toll roads and fuel duty make sense. Road tax is daft.

Yet its toll roads and fuel duty which receive the most opposition in this country. I've never seen a rolling road block protesting against car tax. I dont like toll roads, the UK doesnt accept toll roads. Bigwigs are toying with the idea of widening the A14 with a 'toll lane' or a whole new 'toll road' and this week saw every large East Anglian business (most notably haulage firms obviously) 100% condemn any idea of any toll what-so-ever. The idea has zero business support. The only people who support it are those who dont drive on it and wish everyone else would stop it. The feeling amongst sensible people is that we've paid for this road 16,874 times already, why should we pay for it again?

Toll Roads dont work here, the M6 Toll is a prime example. It was built to relieve congestion on the A5 (i think its the A5, im happy to be corrected) but because its a toll, its usually empty and the A5(?) is still full. Haulage firms say they only use the M6 Toll in "exceptional circumstances" due to the cost and motorists arent going to pay to use it if theres a free road running alongside it. The Dartford Crossing is also ridiculous, they say the toll is to deter usage and reduce congestion, but if it wasnt for everybody stopping to pay the toll then there'd BE NO CONGESTION!!!!!!!!!

There should never be any toll roads in Britain at all. They dont belong in this country. The French can do whatever they like, I dont care about France.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - unthrottled

Jamie, we all know that toll roads would be an as-well-as levy and not an instead-of so I don't support them in practice. But the principle is sound. There's little opposition to road tax because the overall levy generally isn't high-especially for people buying cars with a theoretical low CO2 rating.

But I think that 'sin' taxes should have a behavioural incentive as opposed to being simple revenue raisers. Fuel duty at least does make you think twice about cruising at 90 rather than 70. The nice thing about it is that (points aside) you have a choice.

I can't help but get p***ed off with people paying £50 VED and turning in 35 mpg when I pay £220 and turn in 41mpg-and I only cover 7000 miles p.a.You must be in the same boat.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - jamie745

I can't help but get p***ed off with people paying £50 VED and turning in 35 mpg when I pay £220 and turn in 41mpg-and I only cover 7000 miles p.a.You must be in the same boat.

I dont get annoyed about it because i have better things to do. I pay for a £460 tax disc, do 27mpg and my mileage is pretty low. I know that someone in a Focus TDCi doing 15k a year will pollute more than my car yet pay less than half as much tax, but i dont care. A few years ago i was doing about 16,000 miles a year, so i benefitted from the current system, under plans like yours those years would've cost me more than they did.

You talk about choice with the speed you drive etc, but i also had a choice to not buy a Band M car if i objected to it. I couldve bought something with a £20 tax disc if i wanted to. Your car is pre-2001 so you're on the old rates, the April 2001 cut-off is a bit arbitrary as i've seen instances of identical cars, registered months apart having vastly different VED bills. You have the choice to buy something else but you're sensible enough to know buying a £7,000 ecobox to save £200 a year in tax is a fools way of saving money.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - carr

Road Tax isn't just about the money the motorist pays directly it's also about the hassle of the form filling and the expense of the bureaucracy needed to collect it. It's obvious that fuel consumption is a good proxy for measuring a car's pollution and mileage but that's already taxed to death. You can rest assured that the status quo will be retained so that HMG gets 2 bites of the cherry and keeps the voters happy in Swansea . They care nothing about being rational or efficient.

You can drive anywhere in France without paying tolls, you just need to decide whether you want to average 50 mph on the free roads or pay the premium to do 80 mph on the toll autoroutes.

As regards to the MoT frequency, in France as in the UK, the failed component that causes most accidents is the nut loose behind the wheel.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - Bromptonaut

Makes no difference in Swansea Carr. Vehicles still need to be registered and registration, insurance and MoT cross checked annually; collecting tax is a sideline.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - carr

. "Vehicles still need to be registered and registration, insurance and MoT cross checked annually; collecting tax is a sideline. "

I see, so we need to update a couple of dates on the registrations database but, hey!, while we're at it, why not stiff the motorist for even more money?

There is a certain logic there, I guess that's what makes Britain 'Great' .


Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - pugswhdi

Quote 'unthrottled'

can't help but get p***ed off with people paying £50 VED and turning in 35 mpg when I pay £220 and turn in 41mpg-and I only cover 7000 miles p.a.You must be in the same boat.

I am in the same boat. My old diesel polo (year 2000) costs £215 annually and the exact same car 11 months newer would be £95 - no logic at all in my view. It never does less than 50mpg and fuel wise costs roughly half what my wifes Honda FRV does - costs just £210 a year to tax.

I guess we are just caught by 'the system' and my polo might be an exception to the rule?Whatever, we'll continue to do around 7000 miles each year in the polo and about 15000 miles each year in the FRV.

Now to figure out what will happen when I present the polo for MOT this year without it's catalytic converter which rusted completely and was replaced 2 years ago with a piece of stright pipe.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - conman

Hi isnt it great that the government are fighting to keep Great Britain, Great Britain and stop us integrating with Europe. Is this what Cameron Veto'd the other week in Brussels??

The problem I have is, if you think that vehicles should not be on our roads because they are dangerous if they have 2 yearly Mot's. Are the Government going to ban all those dangerous vehicles from Europe ( don't forget they have 2 yearly MOT's) using our roads, if the answer is no, then they have lost their case.

If the reason is because there are too many bad Mot centres, then they are at fault again as they appoint them and inspect them.

I do not see why myself as a UK citizen who drives a Fiesta, has to have a MOT every 12 months and my fellow european friend from France who also drives a Fiesta has it done every 2 years and that also has been pointed out, does not pay road tax. Apart from the fact that he drives on the other side of the road. Perhaps that is the answer!!!!

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - expat

I am in Western Australia. We don't have any annual roadworthiness tests. The sky has not fallen in. The police pull over cars that they think could have a problem and give them a yellow sticker if they think they are unroadworthy. They then have to present the car at a test centre within a set time and get it checked for roadworthiness. The system works fine and we don't have heaps of unroadworthy cars. As pointed out above the big problem is unroadworthy drivers.

The MOT test is a big earner for garages and I suspect that they go to great lengths to make sure that most people have a big bill to pass it.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - jamie745

Israel has safer roads than Australia, statistically speaking. As lovely as it would be to have such a system, we dont have any money for Police so it cant be done.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - Bromptonaut

Australia is a very different place to UK though. Less than a third the population and half of you in just five main cities.

Less inter-urban long distance commuting, a climate that doesn't promote corrosion and, with less crowded roads greater room for tolerance of slightlt dodgy cars. Lots of UTEs etc still used in farming and local travel only?

Most of Europe, where road conditions are similar to UK have a regualr safety test.

And provided the car is properly maintained and you use a good garage it's pretty straightforward to pass. Apart from wiper blades and light alignment I've not had a fail since 2005. And that was well justified - steering rack wear in a 14yo Cit BX.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - focussed

Just a mention about France-althought there is no annual road tax, at the moment, there are very expensive registration fees and eco-taxes for first registration or change of ownership of cars and motorbikes.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - carr

Agreed, Panda 1.2 is nearly €300 change of ownership versus £30 p.a. (?) in the UK.

On the subject of MOT's here's a tale from South Africa in the Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102155/Pick-truck-impounded-police-roadworthy-windscreen.html

I wouldn't say the tyres were totally bald, slight problem with the tracking, that's all.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - jamie745

I've taxed worse.

Government abandons plans for biennial MoT tests. - bob930232

No suprise there then.

They want to squeeze as much money out of motorists as possible.