British built japanese cars. - Oli rag

Anyone have any info, on whether british built jap cars are any more or less well built than japanese built, japanese cars, I'd have thought with their quality systems, they'd be much the same?

British built japanese cars. - thunderbird

Anyone have any info, on whether british built jap cars are any more or less well built than japanese built, japanese cars, I'd have thought with their quality systems, they'd be much the same?

In the family we have had a Nissan Bluebird, Primera and two Micras all of which were built at the Washington plant, they were every bit as good and reliable as the Japanese built Nissan Almera and Honda Jazz.

British built japanese cars. - Ethan Edwards

I understand the Geordieland factory is one of the most efficient car plants in existence. The Nissan Note that I have is nailed together very decently indeed. I firmly believe that given an even break the British worker is the equal of any.

British built japanese cars. - retgwte
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British built japanese cars. - Drivethru

I understand the Geordieland factory is one of the most efficient car plants in existence. The Nissan Note that I have is nailed together very decently indeed. I firmly believe that given an even break the British worker is the equal of any.

The fastest way to insult a mackem is call Sunderland geordieland.

British built japanese cars. - Dabooka

True, but they're actually in Washington rather than in Sunderland!

British built japanese cars. - RT

True, but they're actually in Washington rather than in Sunderland!

Washington is a town within the City of Sunderland.

British built japanese cars. - Dabooka

True, but they're actually in Washington rather than in Sunderland!

Washington is a town within the City of Sunderland.

It sure is, but one with an NE postcode where most locals don't like being referred to as Macams.

I understand what you're saying,and my comment was a tongue in cheek, but the "City" of Sunderland encomapsses great chunks of former County Durham pit villages and Washington. Many there still consider the A19 as the border of Sunderland.

British built japanese cars. - Auristocrat

Since 1987, we've bought 15 Japanese brand cars from new - Nissans, Hondas, Mazdas and Toyotas.

The Honda Concerto we bought new in 1994, was built by Rover at Longbridge and went through the Honda quality control processes at Swindon before distribution to the dealer network. One fault (driver's door switch controlling the alarm/central locking) in the 3.5 yrs we had it.

I had two Nissan Primeras - both built at Sunderland - a 1998 SX and a 2001 S. No faults in the three years we had each one.

The 2006 Toyota Corolla - built at Burnaston, Derbyshire - had one fault (corrosion on one tailgate strut at 2.5 years - both replaced under warranty) in the three years we had it.

The (October) 2009 Auris I currently have was again built at Burnaston, and has had one fault (broken retractable cupholder) which occured last October - replaced under warranty. Although the pedal on mine wasn't faulty, the accelerator pedal was included in the recalls back in 2010 - shims reduced play in the mechanism.

The other cars we've had included: three Nissan Micras(1987, 1990 and 1992 -Japanese built) - two had replacement exhaust front pipes under warranty; 1993 Nissan Sunny - drivers seat base replaced under warranty due to fault in seat covering; two Toyota Corollas (1996 and 1998 - Japanese built) - radio/cassesste replaced in one under warranty; Honda Civic 3 door (2000 - Japanese built) - no faults; Mazda 323 and Mazda Premacy (both 2003 and Japanese built) - driver's airbag replaced under a Mazda extended warranty for the Premacy, and the 323 had an exhaust valve retaining bolt replaced as part of a recall; Mazda 2 (2007 - built by Ford in Spain) - coil pack, HT lead and passenger grab handle replaced under warranty.

Edited by Auristocrat on 24/01/2012 at 15:50

British built japanese cars. - barney100

So in 25 years you have had 15 Japanese cars, this avereages out at under two years a car, thats a lot of car changing. Why do you get a different one so often?

British built japanese cars. - Auristocrat
We run two cars - one for me and one for my partner. We tend to change every three years, but have kept three for longer (the Concerto 3.5 yrs, the Premacy for 3.75 years, and her Mazda 2 for 4.25 years). Looking to change the Mazda 2 this year.
British built japanese cars. - Smileyman

I've been driving UK built Nissans for over 12 years now, firstly a K reg 1.6 Primera that was excellent, very reliable, and secondly a 54 plate 2.0 Primera that has not been so reliable - mostly electricals ..... something linked to the sourcing of Renault parts I think.

I'd be very happy to purchase another UK Nissan when the time comes for a change.

British built japanese cars. - Falkirk Bairn

1994 Prelude - Jap/Jap - apart from consumables and servicing no repairs in 3 years

1995 Civic Coupe - Jap/USA - 7 years 94K - apart from consumables and servicing no repairs. Engine blew up in 2009 @ 154K with 2nd owner (we know them) - lack of servicing/oil changes and short runs!

2001 Civic Jap/UK -sold in 2007 93K - 1/2 electrical issues covered by warranty in first 6 months (door open light stayed on even with doors shut, wipers would not self park)

Apart from consumables and servicing no repairs that I paid for.

1998 to present - Mazda Xedos 6 - Jap/Jap - Apart from consumables and servicing the total cost of repairs in 13 years has been around £800+ including parts and labour. (handbrake cables, anti-roll bar bushes, pulley, 3/4 light bulbs............still on original battery)

2007-Present , Nissan Xtrail -Jap/Jap - 2 bulbs, wipers, no warranty repairs, no repairs out of warranty BUT it failed to start in the deep freeze 12 mths ago - waxy fuel was suspected by the breakdown man.

Next car - Honda/Subaru/Nissan likely when SWMBO gives in

Do not ask about the Mercedes C Class, and a multitude of Vx,Fords, Peugeots prior to my finding out that Japanese cars were built to a much higher standard

Edited by Falkirk Bairn on 24/01/2012 at 22:55

British built japanese cars. - Avant

This shows that there's nothing wrong with a British workforce if they're properly managed and follow proper quality control procedures. Some of them may even be the sons of the men who put together faulty Leyland cars in the 70s and 80s. And when did you last hear of anyone going on strike at these plants?

Minis, following BMW procedures, are well made at Cowley - perhaps not quite as consistently well as Honds, Nissans and Toyotas - but a lot better than Land Rovers.

British built japanese cars. - Auristocrat

"This shows that there's nothing wrong with a British workforce if they're properly managed and follow proper quality control procedures."

Agree. Nissan (Qashqai, Note, Leaf and Juke), Toyota (Auris 5 door and Avensis) and Honda (Jazz, Civic and CRV) make up the majority of the UK's volume vehicle production.

Vauxhall only makes the Astra, the Vivaro van, and shortly the Ampere in the UK. Ford only makes the Transit over here - and that seems to be under threat.

British built japanese cars. - jamie745

I think comparisons with todays British workforce and that which put Austin's and Rover's together 40 years ago are redundant for many reasons - for a start, machines build much of the cars these days, in the old days it was a bloke with a hammer.

It is unfortunate for the British workforce though that the cloud of Leyland still hangs over them. I personally view any label with 'Made in England' on it to be a nice way of saying its going to fall apart.

British built japanese cars. - ukbeefy

I think one of the breakthroughs the Japanese made was to make a car easy to build consistently. I understand from reading about it was the revelation of building the Triumph Acclaim (Honda Ballade) under licence - I think road testers and consumers were slightly shocked by the consistency of build and relative trouble free nature of these cars, coming so soon after (and actually been sold alongside) BL cars of highly variable build quality (good to downright terrible).

I remember all my relatives talking about "Friday afternoon" British built cars in the 60s and 70s that they had just been unlucky to be lumbered with when neighbours might have been lucky to get the one that came off the line right first time. It always amazed me that the British manufacturers did not ever understand that those "friday afternoon" cars or the ones built in the first 6-12 mths of a new model where the owner had to do the final testing set the popular viewpoint on the merits of a model - bad news/poor reputations took months to create and years/decades to counteract.

British built japanese cars. - unthrottled

Apparently, a lot of it came down to production line management.

British companies figured that it was more efficient to train a worker to do one job.

Japanese companies rotated their production line workers to different details. This meant more time was lost training. But it ameliorated the stultifying boredom that comes with attaching a steering wheel to a column once every 3 minutes, for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week year in, year out.

It seems this is what it took to get British cars to meet the designers' specifications.

British built japanese cars. - Trilogy

At one time Primeras were exported to Japan because they were made better than the Japanese ones.

However, I've heard (from a friend in the trade) UK produced Jap cars are not as good as Jap produced Japs, because UK produced ones use some UK produced components.

British built japanese cars. - RT

However, I've heard (from a friend in the trade) UK produced Jap cars are not as good as Jap produced Japs, because UK produced ones use some UK produced components.

I've heard the same about US-built Subaru's and Hyundai's - it's the local content that lets the side down.

British built japanese cars. - Auristocrat

I think this would be difficult to substantiate. Usually where a Japanese or Korean manufacturer sets up a manufacturing plant in the UK, France, Slovakia, etc, the plant produces cars for the European market, so one is unlikely to be able to compare, for example, a Japanese-built Avensis to a UK-built Avensis, or a Korean-built i30 to a Czech Republic-built i30. Usually all the trade would have experience of are the European built versions.

One exception to this is the last generation Honda Jazz. The majority of these were built in Japan. However, for approx the last 18 months of production, UK market (and presumably European market) Jazz's were built in China. Production of the current Jazz is in the UK.

The current Auris is slightly different - as the Toyota plant in Turkey builds the three door versions, and the UK plant builds the five door versions. No differences in seat trim, etc.

An example of differences in components is the accelerator pedal problems that Toyota was accused of in 2009-2010. Two versions of the pedal assembly were used worldwide - one made by the Japanese company Denso, and a second made by a GM subsidiary. The version made by the GM subsidiary had to have remedial work done to reduce play in the assembly (basically shims were used to take up freeplay) via the recall system. The Denso version didn't. Both pedal assemblies were used in the UK-built Auris and not all Aurios's had to be recalled. Mine used the GM-made assembly, and had the shims installed.

British built japanese cars. - Avant

GM really do have a 'reverse Midas touch', don't they! To set up a trend towards mediocrity AND unreliabilty takes some perverse talent.

British built japanese cars. - Trilogy

Only one part of GM is any good. Its not in Europe or the US.

British built japanese cars. - RT

Only one part of GM is any good. Its not in Europe or the US.

Daewoo - you don't mean that do you?

British built japanese cars. - Auristocrat
Either Chevrolet (Daewoo) or Holden.
British built japanese cars. - bathtub tom

I've had a Fiat, built under license by Seat that was exceptional.

I've got a Mazda, built under license by Kia that's very good.

Both were very well built. I reckon the quality control was probably better than being built by the badge holder.

I've also got a Nissan built in Sunderland. I think things have gone downhill!

British built japanese cars. - Collos25

Surely it say assembled not built they come in kits from Japan and are assembled here ,I remember when Toyota built their plant the local council built ann industrial estate expecting to get lots of work from them in reality not a bean.They assemble here for tax reasons not because they like the UK weather and if the regulations change you won't see them for dust. They pay out a few bob in wages and shift all the profit back east.

British built japanese cars. - retgwte
yea and the investment in batteries for new electric cars coming here is mainly about givng

Edited by retgwte on 29/01/2012 at 13:50

British built japanese cars. - balleballe

Surely it say assembled not built they come in kits from Japan and are assembled here ,I remember when Toyota built their plant the local council built ann industrial estate expecting to get lots of work from them in reality not a bean.They assemble here for tax reasons not because they like the UK weather and if the regulations change you won't see them for dust. They pay out a few bob in wages and shift all the profit back east.

At least they're creating jobs for people in the UK.

All the more reason to buy Jap, IMO

British built japanese cars. - Auristocrat

In reality, Japanese and Korean manufacturers build cars in Europe for various reasons, and not just for tax. Having plants within Europe, producing cars for the European market, is cheaper for companies than importing everything from the Far East.

Taken from a Toyota Manufacturing UK booklet called the facts: "Processes at Burnaston include stamping (pressing panels from rolls of steel), welding, painting, plastic mouldings (bumpers and instrument panels/dashboards) and assembly and at Deeside (Engine plant) machining, assembly and aluminium casting."

Companies do not install stamping machines to press body panels, moulding machines for dashboards, bumpers, etc, or carry out aluminium casting when they are assembling from CKD kits.

As regards profits, what do you think the American car companies like Ford and GM do - everything in terms of profit goes back to the parent company in the States.

British built japanese cars. - Collos25

I would have thought both Ford and GM had very if any profits to take out of the UK these last few years.If you take the Burmaston plant everything including the steel is brought in to the UK.

British built japanese cars. - RT

I would have thought both Ford and GM had very if any profits to take out of the UK these last few years.If you take the Burmaston plant everything including the steel is brought in to the UK.

From that well known Indian company!

British built japanese cars. - colinh

Engines made at Deeside?

British built japanese cars. - Auristocrat

The 1.33, 1.6 petrol engines and the 1.8 Hybrid engines are produced at Deeside. Annual production capacity of 250,000 engines. Additionally began exporting machine parts to the Far East in June 2011.

British built japanese cars. - Gordon17

About 15 years ago I worked for a company that transported finished cars from the Nissan factory at Washington. At the time quite small numbers of Primeras were built at Washington for export to Japan - these went through a significantly more rigorous quality control process than cars for any other market.

When we first started working with Nissan at Washington and Toyota at Burnaston we found them to be a nightmare to work with, because their quality processes were so demanding compared with the other companies manufacturing in the UK.