Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - Big John

I’m occasionally getting an engine management light on showing an EGR fault when interrogated . When I had a service they check and cleaned the EGR valve although they said they couldn’t see any issue with it. All vacuum pipes appear in good nick and when they plugged it into their computer – real time the EGR valve seemed to be shown as working. However it kept logging an EGR fault. This went away after a few weeks and all remained well until I filled up with supermarket diesel – New EGR fault was soon logged (takes a few miles) . The light clears after a while but then another EGR fault gets logged (always when driven gently). Looking back when the fault first appeared I had also filled up with the same supermarket diesel as I had a voucher.

I’ve since filled up with Shell diesel (which I normally use) and have not had anything logged since. This has confused me as I thought the EGR valve itself has nothing to do with fuelling.

Could it possibly be a sensor – how does the engine management know there is problem with the EGR? Is there an oxygen sensor anywhere?

Car performs well and is always economical the only symptom might be a slight lack of grunt below 2000rpm around the time when in fault condition.

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - dieselnut

The ECU uses info from the MAF to determine if the EGR valve is working.

When the EGR valve opens it allowes exhaust gas into the inlet. There will then be less air flowing past the MAF. If the ECU sees no reduction in MAF when it opens the EGR it assumes the EGR is faulty so flags up a fault. So your problem could be the MAF on the edge of failing or just a poor electrical conexion to it.

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - Chuckie888

.. or the intake manifold is congested where the EGR vacuums connect.

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - Big John

Where would the EGR vacuums connect to the inlet manifold. I thought they were fed via a one way valve from the brake servo vacuum pipe? Must admit there is a hissing noise missing that used to be present after you turned the engine off.

When you turn off the engine you can see the valve on top of the EGR move (anti shudder?)

By the way the car generally drives so well the variable vane part of the turbo must be working - it has never shown under/over boost

The MAF sensor being on the edge looks as though its worth investigating. I'm guessing this could also cause the occasional lack of low down grunt(below 2000) as if MAF is under reading presumably it will also under fuel.

Why would this vary with different fuel? woud better diesel draw more air?. The fuel issue may be misleading though - The light has come back on today with Shell Diesel, the difference is that it has taken 200 mile to do so whereas with the supermarket diesel light comes on (repeatadley) within 20 miles.

Thanks, J...

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - dieselnut

I think the fuel is probably a red herring.

There is a vacuum pump which is part of the fuel pump on the rear of the engine driven off the camshaft. You would have lots of other problems if this wasn't working including poor brakes.

When I say the ECU controls the EGR, don't forget tthe ECU only controls a solenoid EGR valve (N75). This switches the vacuum on/off to the EGR valve. So a sluggish solenoid or split vacuum pipe would have similar effects. Also a restricted flow of EGR gas caused by a clogged EGR pipe or EGR valve would affect it.. The MAF is looking for a drop in air flow so would guess even a small split in the main air pipe or intercooler could trigger the ECU to bring up the CEL.

Clean up the MAF electrical connector first, then work on from there.

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - Railroad.

As Dieselnut quite correctly says, the ECU uses MAF information to monitor the effect of the EGR system by detecting a reduction in air flow when the EGR valve is commanded open. The sole purpose of the EGR valve is to allow a controlled amount of exhaust gas to re-enter the intake manifold when then reduces combustion temperature, which in turn prevents nitrogen and oxygen forming Oxides of Nitrogen (NOx). In other words the EGR valve is for emission control, and has nothing whatsoever to do with performance enhancement. The EGR does not operate at idle or the engine would run rough. It is only commanded to open during mid-range operation.

On your car the EGR control can be altered, but to do it you need to find someone with VCDS. The EGR has a default setting which equates to a certain volume of air measured by the MAF. Increasing the EGR setting will adapt the ECU to expect a greater flow of air before it operates the EGR valve. This has the effect of lower EGR. This will mean the intake manifold is much less likely to clog (which they do quite commonly) and performance and fuel economy are improved. The engine idle will also be smoother. The downside is that levels of NOx will increase, but since this is not an MOT requirement you have nothing to lose by doing it. You can even adapt the ECU so the the EGR does not operate at all....

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - Big John

Thanks for all the replies -useful stuff.

I've had a good look at it today and have found out that I must have a vacuum leak somewhere. If you pull the input vacuum pipes off one of the OS solenoids and start the engine there is no sign of much sucking - however if you pull the vacuum pipe from the T off vacuum connector near the brake servo there is sucking present and correct. (I tried temporarily connecting a pipe to the EGR valve from the T off and you could hear it clunk and the engine note slightly changed ). I think the leak is getting worse as the other day as the anti shudder valve moved when turning engine off but now it hardly moves at all.

The T off from the brake master cylinder feeds a pipe that crosses the bulkhead to the EGR solenoid the then feeds a pipe back across the bulkhead feeding a reservoir as well as turbo vane and anti-shudder solenoids. The VW-esque covered rubber pipes look OK but I know they can rot internally. Could be any one of them so am guessing its best to change the lot just in case. There are clearly two diameters of pipe- What size I should get and from where?

Is there anything else that could leak? I was presuming solenoids either work or they don’t.

On finding this I am surprised the car is running as well as it is. Performance Good, Economy Great and engine management light mostly off.

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - craig-pd130

On the 2003 model PD motors it was possible to disable the EGR valve without throwing a fault code, by pulling the vac pipe off the EGR actuator, inserting something to block the pipe (I used a piece of snug-fitting plastic on my 2003 PD130) and reconnecting the pipe. My own car did some 5,000 miles like this before I sold it.

This way, the EGR valve stays shut, so you get less soot and claggy stuff building up in the inlet.

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - BenG

Craig - Is that also possible on the 2004 version, as I have a Seat Leon which has the 150hp PD engine and I'd like to stop crud blocking up the EGR after I clean it out??

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - craig-pd130

I'm afraid I don't know, it worked on my PD130 (AVF engine code), but have no idea if it would throw a code or not on a 150 ...

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - Railroad.

You can try blocking the vacuum pipe to prevent the EGR valve from opening but you may find you'll notice a considerable drop in performance. This is because as has been said earlier the ECU detects a reduction in air flow which verifies the EGR valve has actually opened when commanded to do so. If this reduction doesn't materialise then the ECU will know something is wrong. It may not necessarily generate a fault code because the MAF value may not fall outside of its programmed parameters, but instead it will alter the fuelling to ensure the emission standards are maintained, hence the reduction in power. As I said earlier, the ECU can be adapted to expect a greater flow of air before it opens the EGR valve which means the EGR valve will be opened for a shorter time and less frequently or even not at all, but you need suitable diagnostic equipment to do it. This way no fault code will be generated and there will be no loss of performance either.

Skoda Superb 2003 1.9pd100 - EGR valve issue - Big John

Thanks for all the replies. The actual fault was one of the hard vacuum pipes at the rear of the engine had rubbed through.

It seems to have its Mojo back now and is pulling really well from much lower revs. Hopefully won’t see that engine management for a while.