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Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman

I looking to change cars in the next 18 months Ive never had a Mazda before, but the 175bhp engine in the upcoming CX-5 looks really good on paper.The only issue i see is the car may be too light to tow my 1556kg caravan.What do readers think to Mazda reliability and dealers in the S.Yorkshire area. I currently am on my second Xtrail, a 171bhp version, but find the 2L version not great on low end torque, as my previous 2.2 diesel was.So the Mazda 2.2 twin turbo promises good torque from low revs upto a high 5.5K revs.But with class leading emission's, and economy.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - RT

175bhp from a twin-turbo 2.2 sounds very poor - modern single-turbo 2.2 diesels are producing around 190bhp.

As your timescale is 18 months wait until the Hyundai iX45 is announced as a replacement for the Santa Fe - probably late 2012.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman
I'm happy with the xtrails 171 bhp, as i was with the ol
Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman

Am i having problems due to using EX9?.I am happy with the 71bhp power, as i was with 134bhp from my last xtrail. Its the low end torque i'm after. The SF is on my watch list but its at the moment too heavy, hopefully the new version will be lighter? Also looking at the new Kuga and CRV. The CX5 does have over 300 pound feet of torque, which is perfectly adequate. for my needs.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - unthrottled

Its the low end torque i'm after

Peak torque doesn't give any indication to low end torque. High torque/low RPM combination is hard on main bearings, clutches, DMFs and the transmission and, hence, is usually restricted.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman
Maybe, but max torque is all one can refer too

Edited by xtrailman on 28/12/2011 at 14:07

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman
Maybe, but max torque is all one can refer too. I realise torque can be restricted through the gears, but why bother to use a twin turbo? Anyway road testers are saying the engine is strong from 1300rpm upto 5500rpm. So i expecting a flat torque curve, something that the newer diesels seem to have.
Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - unthrottled

I thought we were talking diesel here! A diesel won't touch 5500RPM!

A twin turbo on a four pot is more likely to be for emissions considerations than anything else. A single VGT will provide all the air across all the RPM that a diesel will need.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman

I thought we were talking diesel here! A diesel won't touch 5500RPM!

A twin turbo on a four pot is more likely to be for emissions considerations than anything else. A single VGT will provide all the air across all the RPM that a diesel will need. Parkers say it goes to 5300RPM, but i think elsewhere I've read 5500rpm, could be wrong.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - unthrottled

Most modern diesels have a maximum governed speed of about 5000 RPM, but since peak power comes in at about 4000RPM, why bother revving it harder?

Peak torque comes in about 300lb.ft. At 5250RPM, torque and hp figurs are equal (in imp units). Since the max power is about 175hp, not 300, you can see how far the torque curve has fallen off. The useful power band is always from about 1500-3500RPM on a small diesel.

Still looks pretty good though.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman

I might add that the xtrail engine quite easily hits the red line at around 4.5K revs, it revs just like a petrol engine!

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman

www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mazda/cx-5-2012/

Edited by Honestjohn on 31/12/2011 at 06:57

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman

Yes got that wrong mazda site says max revs 5200rpm.

I've sorted the ex9 problem, needed this site adding to the compatibility settings under tools.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - RT

The iX45 is unlikely to be much lighter than the current Santa Fe - but then it's bigger than XTrail, Kuga, CRV etc as it seats 7 with ease. If you only need a 5-seater then Hyundai's iX35 is more comparable with those.

If you're towing a 1565kg caravan you'll need something substantial anyway to get a decent towing ratio.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman

My present xtrail is only 20mm shorter than the current SF, so there's very little in it. The CRV is 4530mm long, which is around the same as my previous xt T30 at 4530mm. The new Kuga will be longer, so really any car over 4500mm should meet my requirements. I am at present towing at 91%, and am prepared to tow upto 99% ratio. Not ideal granted, but i want to keep running costs down to the bone, so that's less VED, and more MPG.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - RT

My present xtrail is only 20mm shorter than the current SF, so there's very little in it. The CRV is 4530mm long, which is around the same as my previous xt T30 at 4530mm. The new Kuga will be longer, so really any car over 4500mm should meet my requirements. I am at present towing at 91%, and am prepared to tow upto 99% ratio. Not ideal granted, but i want to keep running costs down to the bone, so that's less VED, and more MPG.

Trying loading the two cars and see the difference - spaciousness is all about interior size, not external footprint.

According to What Car, the load space lengths are 120cm Kuga, 142cm CRV, 168cm iX35, 174cm XTrail and 186cm Santa Fe. The Santa Fe load space is wider than the others too.

But if you're paring your costs down to the bone you're better going for something smaller.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - xtrailman

I'm not after a larger boot, or load space, its surplus to requirements.

But as it is the Kuga is too small, the next version may fit the bill, while the present CRV and xtrail are perfectly adequate, it only got to carry my fishing tackle, were the rod holdall is the most problematic for loading, as that goes through the ski hatch.

It appears the thread is getting boged down with people telling me what i should have, rather than what i want.

As i said the Sf will be considered. But i'm hopeing someone with practical experiences of Mazda ownership will contribute.

As you can see from the link , modern diesels are nothing like the old ones, yes i'm sure the twin turbo is for emissions, but a by product of that is improved economy, mainly due to the low end torque available, which allows less gear changes.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - unthrottled

Type in 'Mazda 2.0 Diesel' to see their Mazda owners' diesel experiences. Their parent company, Ford, has had a few diesel headaches too...

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - Avant

Apologies, Xtrailman: Nissans and Mazdas are both more reliable than Microsoft. If you have a problem again with posting on here, use Google Chrome or Firefox.

Mazda CX-5 - New Mazda CX-5, what do you think. - Bobbin Threadbare

I have a petrol Mazda 6. I've never pulled a caravan with it though. I've had it about 18 months and I couldn't be more happy with it. It's rolled past 98k on the clock recently (it's 6 years old) and it handles very nicely indeed. Reasonable tax, insurance and fuel economy. Cheap servicing and parts (not that I've had anything beyond a headlight bulb).

There are many stories about DPF failure on the Mazda 6 diesels, but if you're going for a very new one I find it hard to believe they aren't sorting that out. Having said that., I run my petrol one very large distances and probably should have a diesel for fuel economy but I've got what I've got.

 

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