Motoring mags - S40 Man

Picked up a copy of Autoexpress in newsagents. Christmas special, thought OK looks quite interesting might give that a read but looked at the price £4.95, and it's a weekly.

Is it just me or is that OTT when there are great web sites like HJ's, Autoexpresses own is OK MSN cars can be funny. Are they pricing themselves out of the market?

Even Top Gear mag is only £3.95

Motoring mags - unthrottled

They're all just glossy lads' mags nowadays. I get car and driver from the US which is generally more informative-and wittier than the British crop. But then C & D was edited by Csaba Csere who had twenty years experience as an engineer at Ford. The British 'journalists' often can do little more than paraphrase the Press Release that comes with the car. Wouldn't pay a fiver for that!

Motoring mags - Bobbin Threadbare

I stand in Sainsburys and read them in the shop. I won't pay it - it galls me to buy New Scientist now and again as well! You can get 3 proper books for a fiver. A lot of motoring journalism is a bunch of fibs anyway. 'Well this car does this.....blah blah' and you find they've tested one that won't even be available in the UK or something like that.

Motoring mags - SteveLee

I stand in Sainsburys and read them in the shop. I won't pay it - it galls me to buy New Scientist now and again as well!

I used to regularly buy New Scientist (for 20+ years) until it became a propaganda rag for the warmist scam. But then I guess so many research grants and science jobs are reliant on this tax and control scam, they are forced to follow the herd.

Motoring mags - Bobbin Threadbare

I stand in Sainsburys and read them in the shop. I won't pay it - it galls me to buy New Scientist now and again as well!

I used to regularly buy New Scientist (for 20+ years) until it became a propaganda rag for the warmist scam. But then I guess so many research grants and science jobs are reliant on this tax and control scam, they are forced to follow the herd.

Indeed. Just occasionally it's ok. Stick with Physics World....!

Motoring mags - RT

The British 'journalists' often can do little more than paraphrase the Press Release that comes with the car.

That's it in a nutshell - magazines seem far more focussed on promoting their advertisers than presenting a balanced view based on investigative journalism.

It's no consolation to say it's not just car magazines, it seems the same in every "specialist" magazine.

Edited by RT on 21/12/2011 at 07:31

Motoring mags - Doc

Picked up a copy of Autoexpress in newsagents. Christmas special, thought OK looks quite interesting might give that a read but looked at the price £4.95, and it's a weekly.




Normal weekly price is £2.25
Motoring mags - oldroverboy

Picked up a copy of Autoexpress in newsagents. Christmas special, thought OK looks quite interesting might give that a read but looked at the price £4.95, and it's a weekly. Normal weekly price is £2.25

The worst bit is that if you pick up a copy of L'auto-express in france the articles are sometimes just a translation of the english/german or whoevers did the original test, and as for the "articles" in our local papers, ie "western dail press" and south wales evening post, they are just copies of what you can read in the mags, but Autoexpress is overpriced anyway, stopped buying it and other car mags. Can occasionally read one in the local library, but as someone else said , you can buy lots of good books for a fiver.

Edited by OldRoverboy on 22/12/2011 at 13:49

Motoring mags - ianhad2

It is over the top, but it's only once a year.

The websites are useless, just loads of videos.

Motoring mags - Trilogy

£4.95 is way to much for a magazine, which claims to be the best selling weekly, but isn't.

Bobbin, 'I stand in Sainsburys and read them in the shop.' Me too, but not necesarily Sainsburys. Alternatively, I buy tham for £1 a week or two later. Anyway, I never buy AutoExpress. It's just too clinical.

Motoring mags - madf

I was spolied rotten when young. I read CAR in its heyday with Goerge Bishop and LJK Setright.

After that I was spolit.

Most UK car mags are written by spotty idiots who criticise cars for ride and then say things like " a BMW 5 series is near perfect although the ride is numbingly hard on bad surfaces" .

Basiclaly they are ignorant morons.. altho' that is unkind to morons.

Motoring mags - Trilogy

I was spolied rotten when young. I read CAR in its heyday with Goerge Bishop and LJK Setright.

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CAR was probably the best car magazine ever, until Ian Fraser sold it. I bought every copy from 1979-1994 and bought a few selectively since then. Fotrunately I found a collection on ebay in January. This now brings me virtually up to date. :)

Motoring mags - unthrottled

" a BMW 5 series is near perfect although the ride is numbingly hard on bad surfaces" .

The real problem is that the tail starts wagging the dog. Car makers soon learned that cars sent to reviewers with elastic band tyres were praised for their stiff ride and sharp handling, whereas cars with 'normal' road tyres were panned for being soft and wallowy.

So now most cars come equipped with huge wheels as standard.

All very nice on a skid pan. On real roads with potholes, speed bumps and slushy snow, the spray-on tyres don't work at all well.

Motoring mags - RT

What we need are motoring journalists with good technical knowledge and analytical minds that aren't "failed F1 drivers".

Some people want/buy cars on their track-day ability - but the vast majority don't, and we're the ones who spend most of the money.

Motoring mags - Bobbin Threadbare

Yeah, you don't see many articles about a nice comfy Volvo, do you?

Motoring mags - Avant

Agreed. The testers can't get it into their heads that the way a car drives on twisty B-roads isn't necessarily the most important feature of a car.

There are many of us whose driving style suits, say, an Audi rather than an BMW - but the BMW wins hands down in most of the magazines (apart, unexpectedly, from Auto Express): Audis are always criticised for lack of 'driveability', whatever that means.

Motoring mags - unthrottled

I think most people are interested in how a car drives on twisty B roads. The problem is that the surface of most B roads is quite poor-unlike the smooth skid pan!

Motoring mags - SteveLee

Audis are rightfully criticised because most of them excessively under-steer and have done so for decades, that's because Audi insist on putting the engine in the "wrong" place and then try to engineer their way round poor fundamental design. Handling, grip and steering are entirely different things, a car can grip well and yet handle poorly (Audi), similarly, having your spine smashed through your skull over the bumps or over-sharp steering isn't “handling” either. A Jag handles beautifully and yet is supple over the bumps. A Rover 75 handles beautifully and yet is supple over the bumps. The Germans just don't get it – lap times are easy to time and require no thought, your article writes itself. Unfortunately, after sampling the latest Jags even they heading down the “sporty” ride route to keep the adolescent Journos happy. RIP Jaguar. Yes the Journalists are to blame, but then so are the buying public for buying into it.

I remember reading an Autocar article on the Jag XJR vs Sporty Merc and M-Beemer, the Jag was given a hard time for lack of sporting credentials (wasn't stiff enough), then the weather changed and Germans just couldn't keep up, the Jag still came last in the test, it's not as if we get damp bumpy roads in the UK...

At least motorcyclists are more clued up, they are buying Triumphs by the bucketload over stiffly-sprung Jap sportsbikes. Triumph engineers know how to make suspension work on damp bumpy crumby British roads and do not pander to the magazine lap-time jockeys.

Motoring mags - unthrottled

Well, numbers are easy for people to understand-or at least think they do! It also makes 'shootout' comparisons to be made.

Pity Jaguar is following the Germans-we don't need another 5 series clone.

Motoring mags - RT

Audis are rightfully criticised because most of them excessively under-steer and have done so for decades, that's because Audi insist on putting the engine in the "wrong" place and then try to engineer their way round poor fundamental design.

Subaru put their engines in the same "wrong" place - there's no fundamental reason why Audi's V6 should make things any more difficult than Subaru's H6.

I suspect the truth is more obvious - that Audi have their conservative customers in mind - they're not trying to make BMWs.

Motoring mags - colinh

...and as for the dashboard-huggers and their "soft plastics"

Motoring mags - madf

...and as for the dashboard-huggers and their "soft plastics"

Yes : moronic..

Motoring mags - Trilogy

Hard plastic scratches easily - Toyota Auris with less than 1000 on the clock.

Motoring mags - unthrottled

They may have no practical use but, let's face it, soft plastics do make the cabin nicer. I'd rather have soft plastics than chavvy privacy glass or bling wheels!

Motoring mags - jamie745

Im sure i commented on here in the past about the UK motoring magazines universal worship of the Ford Focus and yes its a good car but its not THAT good. Everything of a similar size or price gets derided as a 2-star pile of rubbish, usually with the only thing written in the cons column being 'its not a Focus.' Anything in the saloon sector is panned if its non-German. Theres nothing wrong with privacy glass but it does seem a bit stupid on a three door Fiesta. Alloy wheels are the greatest con of our time as nobody has told people that steel is an alloy and all big 18-inch wheels do is ruin your perfectly nice car.

Motoring mags - bintang

What Car has the most hard information. It is useful if you are thinking a buying a car but too expensive otherwise.

Motoring mags - Trilogy

Jamie, your comment appears to indicate you're from Suffolk. :) That's a slight exagerration - 2 stars.:)

BTW some magazines/journos felt the MK2 Focus didn't drive as well as the MK1.

What Car reminds me of Which magazine, i.e. they are not too interested in the way a car drives. 'Car' is probably the opposite. :)

Motoring mags - Sofa Spud

I thought Auto Express started as a cheap alternative to Autocar, now it costs about the same.

One thing that annoys me about the weeklies is the way they present slick computer generated guestimates of what a new model might look like in the same way as they present actual photos of actual new models, as if both have the same credibility.

OK, people can produce fantastic vviews of imaginary cars, but often these turn out to be somewhat wrong when the real version of the car is revealed to the public, and so, on teh whole, they are pointless padding to the magazine.