BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - Focus_Driver

What do people think of this car? Does it have any of the problems of modern diesels? Will be used 50/50 A roads/urban. 12k miles per year. There is a forum member on here who has one and rates it as a highly competent car but not so in terms of ownership/driveability I think.

I'm also after views on its performance and driveability. Whats it like compared to a 320i?

Edited by Focus_Driver on 29/11/2011 at 19:57

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - balleballe

It has a few known faults as with any car, although at just 12k miles a year - i'd stick to petrol to be honest, especially with the expensive problems associated with modern diesels

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - Tonto1

I would agree with balleballe. I looked at the 320d, but settled on a 318i. I can't pretend it has the poke of the diesel, but performance is perfectly adequate. I don't need to worry about short runs contaminating things or DMF failures, but have still managed to average a very respectable 41 mpg on a mixture of motorway runs and urban.

I only do about 10k per annum, so once you factor in the higher cost of the 320d (versus a 2.0 petrol) combined with petrol being a fair bit cheaper than diesel at the moment, the choice of car (at least in terms of cost) starts to become less than clear cut. I have nothing against diesel, but as many here have said, they are starting to get far too complex for their own good and I can see them becoming something to avoid at any more than 4/5 years old or 70/80k + miles.

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - Focus_Driver

I was wondering specifically about BMW diesels. I've heard of Mazda, audi/vw and other mainstream cars being affected by dpf, dmf etc but not BMWs. Its not me who's actually buying the car.

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - gordonbennet

I was wondering specifically about BMW diesels. I've heard of Mazda, audi/vw and other mainstream cars being affected by dpf, dmf etc but not BMWs.

Excellent cars IMO, but they do have a couple of problems that anyone contemplating should be aware of.

Many have had premature termination of the turbo, circa 45k seems to be a common mileage when the turbo fails, and i suspect idiotic oil change intervals and lack of warm up/cool down care is not helping.

The other problem they can have is terminal, the swirl flaps in the inlet manifold can become loose without any signs or warning and the engine can ingest them with catastrophic results, easily enough fixed by removing the flaps and putting purpose made blanking plates in place, i believe HJ mentions this in his reviews above. We've had the swirl flaps removed from two 320d's by a BMW indy at Chelmsford, roughly £200 all in, i wouldn't own one of these without doing this conversion.

Good quality cars that wear well if cared for, a good truthful service history is a must, i wouldn't entertain a neglected example.

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - Focus_Driver

Do the swirl flaps serve any purpose? Apart from swirl flaps and turbo problems do these engines have dpf and dmf issues?

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - gordonbennet

You'll have to check but i don't think a DPF is going to be fitted, DMF never raised it's ugly head in our case and i haven't heard of problems though no doubt given enough abuse...fortunately being RWD a clutch change isn't going to be the monstrous task that it is on Mondeos for instance.

Swirl flap removal caused no difference in running, might have been smoother at low rpm, EGR worth cleaning out or replacing at the same time and crankcase breather check too...(possibly implicated in earlier model turbo failurers i'm told)

Clutches were not a problem either, the beauty of these engines is that they have fantastic low engined speed torque, you don't need to slip the clutch, simply engage the clutch and they will pull away, very difficult to stall.

Unlike some other Diesels i could mention which stall at the drop of a hat and/or won't pull you out of bed till the turbo gets going, users end up abusing the clutch without meaning to, leading to DMF and clutch failure.

Course the best thing to do is get a 320d auto, proper torque converter box and a lovely match for the engine, smooooth as can be...get transmission oil changed by a competent specialist indy every 40 k or so, sorted, economic driving pleasure.

Edited by gordonbennet on 01/12/2011 at 11:57

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - balleballe

You'll have to check but i don't think a DPF is going to be fitted, DMF never raised it's ugly head in our case and i haven't heard of problems though no doubt given enough abuse...fortunately being RWD a clutch change isn't going to be the monstrous task that it is on Mondeos for instance.

Swirl flap removal caused no difference in running, might have been smoother at low rpm, EGR worth cleaning out or replacing at the same time and crankcase breather check too...(possibly implicated in earlier model turbo failurers i'm told)

Clutches were not a problem either, the beauty of these engines is that they have fantastic low engined speed torque, you don't need to slip the clutch, simply engage the clutch and they will pull away, very difficult to stall.

Unlike some other Diesels i could mention which stall at the drop of a hat and/or won't pull you out of bed till the turbo gets going, users end up abusing the clutch without meaning to, leading to DMF and clutch failure.

Course the best thing to do is get a 320d auto, proper torque converter box and a lovely match for the engine, smooooth as can be...get transmission oil changed by a competent specialist indy every 40 k or so, sorted, economic driving pleasure.

Have you owned a 320d auto? If so i'm intererested as to the fuel economy, if you would be so kind

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - gordonbennet
Have you owned a 320d auto? If so i'm intererested as to the fuel economy, if you would be so kind

No auto owned but driven dozens and they are nice to drive, family owned 2 x 320d manuals, one compact one coupe, both E46's, both good cars, the extra weight of the coupe could be felt in the superior ride quality but didn't seem to affect the performance, the coupe was heavier on fuel though.

The compact varied between 45 and 52/3 depending on conditions whereas the coupe would drop below 40 in traffic, both cars gave decent performance for the fuel imo.

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - balleballe

I'm pretty sure it has a DPF - could be wrong though

Swirl flaps help lower emissions - very useful if selling to fleets

I haven't heard of many DMF probs with BMW to be honest

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - Woody37

I have this very car, a 320D SE Auto

The Turbo failed at 48K miles and 4 years. BMW could not have been less helpful.

The air-con fan bearings are shot.

Rear electric window recently failed when fully open.

Economy is not great, 36 around town 45-50 on a longer run.

To be frank, I would say buy a Mondeo or Avensis and be happy. If it must be a BMW go petrol.

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - Focus_Driver

Thanks to everyone for their input. The turbo and swirl flap isssues were what I'd suspected to be the main concerns based on what I've read on the internet - just wanted to get some further opinions.

But I'd thought it only affected the previous E46 3 series. I might consider an e46 330d - are there any differences between the pre and post facelift models apart from a slightly higher bhp output (186 v 200 I think)?

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - Woody37

"The turbo and swirl flap isssues were what I'd suspected to be the main concerns based on what I've read on the internet - ...... But I'd thought it only affected the previous E46 3 series."

Yes that's what I thought too, but I was wrong. The turbo problems are still very much alive - and BMW seem to think 48K mile failure is not premature.

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - madf

BM reliable? Good joke..

Position 26...Worse than Renault...

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

Edited by madf on 02/12/2011 at 13:45

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - Al 42

Swirl flap issue not a problem with this later engine. If its the 163 hp motor no DPF, later 177hp has a DPF but not problamatic. Had both and they were excellent cars, can't think of a better performance/economy balance and, a better drive than anything else in its class. Keep the oil changes regular and these are great cars.

BMW 3 Series - 2007 BMW 320d - schneip

BM reliable? Good joke..

Position 26...Worse than Renault...

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer


I think this is, at first glance a very poor indicator - there seems to be such a paucity of information. For example, there seems to be very little about the age of the cars or models involved at the quoted link. BM's performance being better than that of Audi seems consistent with other indexes. But maybe we should bear in mind the lousy reputation held by Renault, Peugeot and Citroens as reflected by the likes of what was JD Power and now Which? Car. Another factor from your link: "The UK Reliability index takes into account all factors of a repair, the cost of the parts and the frequency of failures". Presumably this is why you think BM reliability is a joke - the parts and labour being more expensive - are you trying to tell us that an MG or a Rover is more reliable than a Porsche or a Mercedes??!?

Edited by schneip on 03/12/2011 at 22:19