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I think the fact anybody took the comment literally says more about you lot than about me.
Did anybody see QI the other night on Dave or John or Bill or whatever its called, the longer an internet argument goes on the chances of a poster being compared to Hitler edges ever closer.
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Well, I certainly didn't take offence and can't believe that any discussion about the topic has been suppressed by a 'kangaroo court'.
It never ceases to amaze me how easily offended a bunch of blokes can get:)
Ask yourself, had this been said in a pub over a pint, would anyone have bothered?
No....you'd have been busy discussing how it must have been tailgating that caused the lorry to get there.
For my money, the lorry driver was dead before the lorry left the road, I may be wrong, but an early announcement of a fatality indicates that, and knowing the junction very well I can't see any other way that could happen.
Now, how about we all stop acting like a bunch of old women:)
Pat
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Forums are ephemeral i.e. change every day, so posters come and go. The forum will thrive, with or without certain posters.
"how about we all stop acting like a bunch of old women:)" Indeed, much like the OP. I would suggest certain posters should act their age and not throw toys out of the pram when challenged about their opinions (NB I'm not aiming this at Pat0. The OP is on one hand very sensible with his posts yet at other times is totally the opposite and can offend. I thought he said he was done with the site. I can't see jamie going. He'll be curious to see what's going on, so will return to add something to a thread.
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I'm fairly confident that Jamie didn't mean his original post in a nasty way. He just has an odd way of phrasing things.
However, Jamie, this is a motoring forum so we're going to have to return to our 'boring' discussions about Skodas and diesel engines and the like. That's what it's here for!
A forum is made by its members; we should be free to discuss and express our opinions, whatever they may be. It doesn't mean that it should denigrate into some sort of slanging match, bullying, pointless sniping and obnoxiously lengthy posts. You would (hopefully) not do that in a face-to-face conversation, and this is, to my mind, very similar (but typed!).
On another note; the lorry accident on the M56 is a tragedy, but let's wait for the full facts from Merseyside Police eh?
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"A forum is made by its members; we should be free to discuss and express our opinions, whatever they may be. It doesn't mean that it should denigrate into some sort of slanging match, bullying, pointless sniping and obnoxiously lengthy posts. You would (hopefully) not do that in a face-to-face conversation, and this is, to my mind, very similar (but typed!).
On another note; the lorry accident on the M56 is a tragedy, but let's wait for the full facts from Merseyside Police eh?"
Bobbin, I couldn't agree more. Especially with this " It doesn't mean that it should denigrate into some sort of slanging match, bullying, pointless sniping and obnoxiously lengthy posts", which I think is driving people away from using the HJ forum
I think this forum suits some and not others. Fortunately this isn't the only car related forum e.g. pistonheads, autocar, etc
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It's known as Godwin's Law.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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It's known as Godwin's Law.....
Reductio ad Hitlerlum? Or just reductio ad nauseum..?!!
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The absence/joy didn't even last 6 hours.
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I would miss jamie745's input if he were to leave. I don't always read his essays as I have other things to do with my life, but when I do have the odd hour or two, I find he has some valid comments to make. Some of his posts come across as though he has a massive chip on his shoulder (possibly both shoulders), but that's fine with me as a forum should exist to cater for all opinions.
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Going back to the original question...
I was curious if road traffic accidents were more common at this time of year (I've been delayed several times by crashes on the M3 and M27 in the past couple of weeks). I'm having a play with the data on this website:
w3.unece.org/pxweb/database/STAT/40-TRTRANS/01-TRA...1
(Road Accidents by Country, Accident Type, Month and Time)
Haven't reached any firm conclusions yet, but in the UK November does look worse than average for road traffic accidents.
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I didn't take offence either, i assumed Jamie was highlighting the fact we haven't even seen a wisp of winter weather yet, haven't had a pea soup or freezing fog for years, it's barely rained let alone reached freezing temps and we're already seeing a high than expected number of killer collisions.
If his post had been longer they'd have winged because of that instead, some seriously miserable blighters about, hope i don't get stuck in a lift with them, as Jamie's posts provoke discussion he's an asset to a forum.
It if wasn't for people with a different outlook posting then this forum would die...again.
If the only views that can be aired are politically cleansed of emotion, humour, innuendo or the remotest possibility of offending the precious then this place would become as boring as some posters already are.
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It if wasn't for people with a different outlook posting then this forum would die...again.
If the only views that can be aired are politically cleansed of emotion, humour, innuendo or the remotest possibility of offending the precious then this place would become as boring as some posters already are.
I agree.
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Me too.
Pat
Edited by pda on 08/11/2011 at 18:22
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But Pat and madf when this happens as Bobbin very correctly said, its not on. That's going too far. It's a case of being able to recognise when you've overstepped the mark. Or backing off before that happens.
Bobbin:-
"A forum is made by its members; we should be free to discuss and express our opinions, whatever they may be. It doesn't mean that it should denigrate into some sort of slanging match, bullying, pointless sniping and obnoxiously lengthy posts. You would (hopefully) not do that in a face-to-face conversation, and this is, to my mind, very similar (but typed!).
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"A forum is made by its members; we should be free to discuss and express our opinions, whatever they may be. It doesn't mean that it should denigrate into some sort of slanging match, bullying, pointless sniping and obnoxiously lengthy posts. You would (hopefully) not do that in a face-to-face conversation, and this is, to my mind, very similar (but typed!).
Well, i for one AM offended by jamie's original post, (Two of my wifes family died in a terrorist attack along with about 60 others a couple of years ago in the middle east, they wre priests in a church) and I hope that Avant and the moderators take note.
There is nothing wrong with honest comment, and a joke now and then but I have seen st close quarters the aftermath of some serious accidents. my wife is a hospital doctor and has seen some real horrors in a&e.
An apology from jamie for poor taste and poor choice of words Would be nice,
Not an attack jamie, because some of your posts are entertaining and some of them informative at the same time.
Edited by OldRoverboy on 08/11/2011 at 19:24
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"some of your posts are entertaining and some of them informative at the same time."
That's true OldRoverboy. I agree with you regarding an apology. I hope with the benefit of hindsight jamie would do that. I just wish that sometimes he would, when its clear he's offended and this could diffuse these situations. Jamie can be extremely entertaining and post some very useful information.
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As I expected, some took no offence and some felt the original post in bad taste. I wasn't personally offended but I might have been, if (as for ORB) members of my family or close friends had died tragically.
No-one wants to censor or stifle discussion, and certainly not to discourage humour and lighter threads and posts. But I'll just offer one phrase with which I always start and finish courses on effective writing:
"THINK OF THE READER."
If Jamie had just accompanied the link with something like 'This seems to be a bad time of year for accidents' he would have got the reasoned discussion that I'm sure he was looking for.
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There are really some sensitive folks here these days.
I could not note anything wrong with the original post, and shame on those of you ganging up and harrassing the OP.
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I've commented in the past about Js mega long posts. No matter what he says above, he just can't keep himself away. You might see the absence of his current moniker, but believe me he'll not be able to contain himself and will be back under a different name.But I have to agree with many posts, he started to bore me many moons ago, so I used to skip his increasingly long posts, which does not make for normal debate or entertainment on here. Before you go J, what is your occupation? It's either homework or very part time.
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Nobody wants Jamie to keep away, I'm sure everyone would like him to be posting and commenting within the bounds of decency AND Good TASTE. And going to look at the comment "some people are over sensitive" from another contributor, then I never wish to have to call one of my family or tell my wife, and say, sorry your cousin has been killed in a terrorist attack, or a sister that her boy has died, or any one hurt in a car crash. there are subjects that MUST be dealt with with sensitivity, By all means comment, but as Avant says so well, "think a bit before making comments" PLEASE!
Happy motoring to all.
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The panic is over.
jamie745 is back after a two day break. I imagine he was suffering from keyboard withdrawal;-)
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Before you go J, what is your occupation? It's either homework or very part time.
Hardly. 'Title' is financial manager but in reality is unglamerous dogsbody, in recent months theres been a lot of changes and theres not been much for me to manage (literally) so ive had time on my hands in the daytime but i do plenty of hours and can do some work from home, sometimes i'll be in on the weekends and have days off during the week, basically part time is inaccurate.
Thanks for the kind words by the way, those of you who said kind words anyway. Those who didnt, well you know what you can do :) Avant judged it right when all i was trying to say is theres a sudden spate of bizarre accidents recently.
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'reality is unglamerous dogsbody'
You won't be driving a Jaguar. :)
BTW I hope you enjoyed your break from the forum.
Edited by richardcroft on 12/11/2011 at 18:41
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