Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - balleballe

Right - i'm looking a buying my first diesel (doing ~25k a year).

I can stretch to 10k and want a car no older than 4 years and 80k

It must be a similar size to my existing car (madza 6 1st gen)

It must be a competant motorway cruiser

It must be fairly economical (although I want a bit of power too)

Most importantly - It must be reliable (pretty damn hard with most modern diesels!)

I've been looking at 3 year old i-dtec accords - but they're pricey on autotrader - around the same price as an equivalent 520d.

I was considering a lexus 220d which is well below my budget, but i've heard some horror stories about the engine so it's put me right off

I have also tinkered with the possibility of just buying an 'economical' petrol like the newer 1.8l avensis - but that would be a last resort really,

So guys and gals - your opinions please

Edited by balleballe on 01/10/2011 at 01:04

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - Bobbin Threadbare

For your criteria - I'm seeing VW Passats, loads of Audi A4s with decent kit (comfy!), the 2.0L diesel Avensis (2009 plate, fairly reasonable mileage for £10k), some top end Mondeos and those Lexuses you mention. I'd happily cruise along in a Passat, an Audi or an Avensis. Honda Accord is nice too. Volvo?

I think it's well established to leave the Mazda 6 diesel alone; shame really as the petrols are so good. I have done 20k in mine over the past year and it has been superb.

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - focussed

Buy a Honda Civic 2.2 ctdi 3 or 5 door-brilliant motor, huge boot, economical, quick, good looking. I've got one and I love it, best to buy a post 07 one though, the clutches and flywheels up to 07 were suspect.

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - gordonbennet

BMW 318/320.

Auto box is a peach if proper smooth auto is your thing..

Just make sure it's got a good service history preferably without ridiculous mileages between oil changes.

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - balleballe

BMW 318/320.

Auto box is a peach if proper smooth auto is your thing..

Just make sure it's got a good service history preferably without ridiculous mileages between oil changes.

My current car's an auto and i'm looking to move away to manuals as I do 70-80% motorway/A roads and would like better economy.

Yeah i've heard extended oil change intervals may cause problems with the turbo?

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - Mike H

My current car's an auto and i'm looking to move away to manuals as I do 70-80% motorway/A roads and would like better economy.

In that case a manual won't make much difference, the economy of most autos is pretty similar to manuals once you get to cruising speeds over 55mph, as the torque converter locks up meaning you aren't wasting engine revs - they're all getting through to the wheels!

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - balleballe
Hmm I didnt know that. Why are the 'extra urban' figures quoted significantly lower for auto's then?
Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - jamie745
Hmm I didnt know that. Why are the 'extra urban' figures quoted significantly lower for auto's then?

I would guess because alot of automatics have less gears than a manual. 4 speed auto is pretty common so you'll be doing more revs at higher speeds. From experience of my automatic Peugeot 406 which had a poor autobox you had to thrash it up to 45mph to force it to change up and then when you get on the motorway doing 70 odd it had annoying engine braking so the slightest dip off the speed and it'd leap down into third as you end up doing 6,000 rpm out of nowhere.

My current Jaguar S-Type has a much better automatic box and is less fussy, you dont notice its there. Some auto's are better than others. Peugeot have gone to Porsche for the autobox in the new 508 which doesnt surprise me.

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - balleballe

Buy a Honda Civic 2.2 ctdi 3 or 5 door-brilliant motor, huge boot, economical, quick, good looking. I've got one and I love it, best to buy a post 07 one though, the clutches and flywheels up to 07 were suspect.

Hmm, what sort of economy are you getting on motorways/A roads? Reliability?

I though there was some sort of major problem with the 1st gen diesel engines - cant remember what it was now, but I've read it somewhere.

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - balleballe

For your criteria - I'm seeing VW Passats, loads of Audi A4s with decent kit (comfy!), the 2.0L diesel Avensis (2009 plate, fairly reasonable mileage for £10k), some top end Mondeos and those Lexuses you mention. I'd happily cruise along in a Passat, an Audi or an Avensis. Honda Accord is nice too. Volvo?

I think it's well established to leave the Mazda 6 diesel alone; shame really as the petrols are so good. I have done 20k in mine over the past year and it has been superb.

If the diesel was decent I wouldnt even think twice about a diesel mazda 6. I wouldnt mind a 2.2d mazda 6 but they're pretty new and holding their value very well. As it happens i've done 20k in my mazda 6 this year too ;-)

I'm not really too keen on VAG cars - they treat their customers like crap and the 2.0 diesels are not that reliable (Especially when compared to the legendary PD 1.9)

for volvos - I was considering an s40 but they have some build issues. I dont like the look of the s60 or s80 lol. The new ones (2010 I think) look good - but thats out my price range. I havent ruled out the s40 with the PSA 2.0 diesel

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - Big John

I’ve been doing a very long commute for a few years now (since 1993!!) and tried various forms of car ownership over the years.

You need to examine your costs carefully:-

1) The difference between petrol and diesel on a daily long run may be less than you would imagine. Even larger petrols can be fairly economical on a run. I remember being disappointed with the improvement in fuel economy when moving from an Octavia petrol(45) to a Superb diesel(50 -I know it’s a bigger car but…) The difference between 45mpg and 50mpg in fuel cost at your mileage is only £275.

2) Depreciation is usually the biggest cost – with your mileage simply presume you will be throwing your car away at the end.

3) 10k is a lot to spend on a used car unless you have a loooong warranty – 25k miles/annum in what could be a problem car?

4) The cost of tyres can also be significant – if you buy a car that needs new super low profile tyres @12.5k miles costing £150 each you suddenly have an annual cost of £1200!!!!!!!

5) VAG cam belt replacement every 4years/40k a pain.

I’ve found that I don’t usually get value buying used – always seem to get someone else’s previous problem - probably worse today with Euro IV & V mods causing all sorts of reliability issues. The best car was a Skoda Octavia (only poverty spec 1.4) that I bought new in 2001 for 9k - The warranty and the aftercare was great + cheap tyres (£40 each lasting 40k miles), economical (45+), quiet, comfortable. I semi retired the car a few years ago but my wife still drives it!

I have since purchased my Superb 1.9 pd used at 18months old for 8k – it wasn’t perfect ( discovered a bit of repaired parking damage + climate control problem fixed under warranty – good job as it was a big job – dash + seats out!!) but actually has been OK although cost of tyres a bit of an issue!!

After this I’m not sure. Probably new (whatever the model - it is still a new set of parts)depending on price (look out for special deals) Petrol - much cheaper to buy (e.g.1.2tsi cam chain Octavia for 11k from drive the deal) v Diesel (lot more expensive, bit more economical but DPF issues etc..) – hung jury – probably petrol. I’m also tempted by some of the deals emerging from manufacturers with longer warranties (Hyundai , Kia).

I know you have been discussing higher spec cars at 3years old but spending that amount of money on a car no longer covered by a manufacturers warranty would worry me. The reality of doing 25k miles per year shouldn’t be underestimated.

Sorry for War and Peace but...

Edited by Big John on 02/10/2011 at 23:25

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - Avant

I'll be accused of bias as I'm on my second Octavia: but given your criteria an Octavia would suit you well. Either a nearly-new 1.2 or 1.4 petrol or a 1.6 or 2.0 TDI.

The 1.9 TDI isn't made any more (I can't remember when they stopped); the 2.0 PD is best avoided but the newer commom-rail diesel seems to have fewer problems.

Alternatively consider a Ford Focus or Mondeo TDCI: they are good cars but don't hold their value well because there are too many being offloaded by fleets.

Any - Help me decide on my next car (diesel) - Buster Cambelt

Record's stuck again....

Try a nice, reliable Jap. The Honda Civic diesel may be a five year old design but it's more refined than most current European 4 pot diesels and I doubt you'll ever break it unless you run it without oil or water.

 

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