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Chap i know uses a 1.4hdi for work commute and gets around 70 mpg, he's a smooth driver. who cruises steadily....incidentally his car is now high mileage, something like 160k and runs very well.
We have the VTS with the 1.6hdi, local running it gets around 53, longer runs it gets over 60 up to about 65mpg max if nursed.
But, keep it to 70 mph absolute max to see those figures, if you push it to even 80 the consumption will drop through the floor.
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Hello,
I commute to work each day racking up 100 miles each day and use a Nissan micra for the journey. I cannot comment on fuel economy but the one criticism I have of the car is the refinement. Small city cars whilst quite capable of motorway journeys are generally not designed with that sort of journey in mind. I would be lying to say I enjoy the 100 mile round trip as it feels quite tiring. Alternatively if I take our other bigger car it's not as tiring as it just feels less of an effort.
I wonder whether something like a focus diesel can be had for the same money and would offer the best of both worlds. I recall there was a thread on here recently in which people criticised small diesels, claiming that the bigger diesels 1.6 upwards were just as economical and better engines!
Whatever you decide I hope your commute is better than mine.
Incidentally I get 360 miles out of 40 pounds worth of petrol in the micra , I ve never worked out my fuel economy but it doesn't strike me as bad.
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(Duplicate post)
Edited by Avant on 06/09/2011 at 00:15
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I get 360 miles out of 40 pounds worth of petrol in the micra , I ve never worked out my fuel economy but it doesn't strike me as bad.
I get the same out of my car, not a supermini but a 12 year VAG TDI saloon , and can easily get 58 to 60 out of on motorway without much trying, and have seen 65 when driving very carefulluy on motorway, and its bhp is 150bhp.
Edited by Car on 02/09/2011 at 10:15
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Which would bear out the theory that a bigger engined diesel car is perhaps better for the job as it's comfortable swell
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Luke - if you're doing the M62, bear in mind that Windy Hill is very steep - this will affect your mpg if you're trying to keep to the same speed, and a low powered car might not cope very well with it.
Edited by Bobbin Threadbare on 02/09/2011 at 12:31
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C2 is more than adequate with the 1.4 turbodiesel, one of the lightest cars around, kept in the economy band between 2000 and 2500rpm it is surprisingly quick and very frugal.
With the 1.6 110hp it becomes a quite rapid warm hatch.
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The 1.6 is better in every possible way. More capable and, on a motorway, capable of better mileage.
Setting the cruise to 50mph, a friend and I once achieved over 80mpg from a 1.9 Ti in a Fabia.
The small diesels offer much les performance but little extra economy.
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If you are just going to set the cruise control to 50, why consider performance?
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Just to see what it could do when you really tr.
But I can't see any advantage to the 1.4Hdi at all. People think that because smaller petrols are more economical than bigger ones, the same must be true for diesels. I don't think it is.
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If unthrottled's "???" was meant to convey a bemusement at the OP's question, I concur.
There's no simple answer to it. There are so many variables, that to pick or prefer a car on someone's say-so because they might have acheived a notional figure - where? what circumstances? Over what route? what itme of day? Driving at 40 mph all the way? etc etc. - is almost pointless. You'd end up comapring apples to mango fruits.
We also don't know how the OP drives, he/she may be wheel-smoking traffic-light artist who out-brakes ferraris for all we know (although unlikely, of course..)
The car. Any small, light, recent, hatchback (especially with a diesel engine) will get broadly simliar figures. There isn't a magic bullet here or uniquely economical (to fuel) engine design that out-ecos everything else. Check all the small diesel hatches & you'll find 70+mpg for the extra-urban cycle. Much better I'd have thought to go for the best car (in the small hatch segment) in terms of condition, history, provenance, locality & price.
Whatever the OP ends up with, fuel economy will depend more of driving style & driving environment than much else.
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Most of the time going across the pennines in winter will be stood still the rest of the time will be at the best a crawl it must be the worst main road in the country for being closed through weather and accidents.
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They were actually aimed at Bobbin!
I've always found that hills on motorways have never affected overall economy. You don't 'lose energy' going up hill-it's like a hybrid battery but much more efficient.
For diesel owners, accelerating up a hill is a great time to get the EGTs up and clean out the DPF. You're going to need diesel to burn the soot off, so you're as well get some crankshaft torque from it!
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No, but on the M62 it is likely that a small engined car will asthmatically wheeze its way up a hill (I have driven an Aygo on this type of terrain - gahhh) doing stop-start motion in the traffic, 20mph, as half of the North West tries to squeeze into Manchester. The fools.
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Really? The power/weight ratio of the Aygo isn't that bad-assuming there is only one occupant!
Just grab another gear. To get the best economy you're always going to have to use a gear that makes the engine work quite hard. A bigger engine will just be mated to taller gears-you still have to shift!
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We have couple of C1's that we use for commuting and they get 70-72 on a run no problem.
1 up they fly. On the M5 from WSM to Bristol theres a very long hefty climb but it still maintains 90 mph to the top as long as your doing 95 at the bottom !
Cant fault them and so cheap to run and no diesel pumps and injectors to worry about or DPMF either !
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is that a Dual Particulate Mass Filter or a Dual particulate Mass Flywheel, Doc? ;)
Sounds troublesome-I don't want one.
Are you saying a petrol will get 70mpg on a run?
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No injectors I find that hard to believe perhaps they have gone back to carbs.
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The C1 doesn't have dual mass flywheels or particle matter filters so much less to go wrong! We get 60 mpg running around and 72 mpg on steady run.
I had one of them 4 years and its done 40 k and all its had is two tyres 1 wiper blade and an indicator bulb. They have been great and 20 a year tax !
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You mean the 1.0 petrol then? It would be easier if you clarifiy which engine you have!
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Hi Unthrottled
Yep I'm sorry , i should have stated its a 1.0 petrol ! there again i did mention no diesel pump and injectors to worry about !
just returnde from a 370 mile round trip today and no fuel stops and it only has a 35ltr tank capacity, oh its a great little gem.
My neighbour has the diesel version but for the noise and extra running costs of servicing etc he wishes he had bought a petrol ! plus an added bonus is if we leave together as we go off up the dual carrigeway ( steep incline ) there is no way he can get anywhere near me ! so petrol well out performes the diesel 1.4
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so petrol well out performes the diesel 1.4
A serious own goal that was not putting a turbo on the Diesel.
They could easily have had an up to date version of the superb 205 td, a frugal stormer in it's day, they'd have sold like hot cakes.
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I am still not clear are you saying your car has no injectors or that diesel injectors give problems and petrol ones do not.
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Well, clearly all modern cars use injectors, but MPI is generally considered as bulletproof as it gets.
Still have a problem believing you get 70 mpg from a petrol though...
370 miles over (say) 30 litres corrosponds to ~55 mpg-Very good, but not 70!
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Collos25
The C1 had. Electronid injection as all petrol cars do but without all the hassle of 500 per injector as with dfiesel cars that are suffering common failure!
The C1 easily gets 72 on a run and have actually had nearer 80mpg many times ! On the C1 forums you will see that mpg is really good.
As to my tank of ffuel its only on a qu3ter tank yet and will still travel many miles before refill!
I had not mentioned yesterday that at 370 miles I had to refill!
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Collos25 The C1 had. Electronid injection as all petrol cars do but without all the hassle of 500 per injector as with dfiesel cars that are suffering common failure! The C1 easily gets 72 on a run and have actually had nearer 80mpg many times ! On the C1 forums you will see that mpg is really good. As to my tank of ffuel its only on a qu3ter tank yet and will still travel many miles before refill! I had not mentioned yesterday that at 370 miles I had to refill!
But how do you feel after getting out after that mileage? Is it quiet or refined? It's designed as a city/town car. What's it like in crosswinds?
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That's more than even citroen claim for out of town driving! Are you freewheeling down hills?!
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Fuel consumption (urban)
51.4 mpg
Fuel consumption (extra urban)
68.9 mpg
Fuel consumption (combined)
61.4 mpg
0 - 62 mph
13.7 seconds
Top speed
98 mp
Not many cars you can better the official figures by such a large amount.
Having once been a passenger in one over a short distance I got out thinking I was a dried pea in a can.Definetly a town shopping car.
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I have no problem driving it. Road noise is acceptable, loy quieter with different tyres on it.
No problem with crosswinds and happily sits at 80 on a motorway with no engine noise at all. I'm happy to drive anything ! I find the seat better than my 59 E class 250 and I have a FR2 which drink s the juice and always difficult to find a parking space in towns ! whereas the C1 fits in anywhere !
MPG wise there have been others on HJ that have reported over 70 +mpg as well and its easily achived !
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I can (just about) believe the eoconomy on the C1 - the extra urban part of the test does include a certain amount acceleration & high(ish) cruising speed work. If you maintain a relatively stable, sub-70 cruise, topping the 'extra urban' figure could be possible. It's also possible by driving on realatively uncluttered A-B roads, when travelling at 40-50 without too many stops etc.
Viz, (and not meaning to top-trunp here) my 2L diesel Mondeo acheived (by trip comp.) just over 65mpg average on a Sunday afternnon jaunt 3-up along A-B roads getting to 40-50 mph, this included 3 stops (at least) & some minor 'hold-ups'. My overall average for this month is 54.9 mpg (again, via trip comp) Winter will take a toll on economy - I expect the average by spring to be no better than 50 mpg overall. (mamnufacturer figure is 47.9 overall)
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2007 Citroen C4 1.6 HDI 92 HP owned by Brother who commutes Leeds - Sheffield. Gets 60 MPG plus and is very comfortable relaxed car. tax disc is 35 quid too.
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Which would bear out the theory that a bigger engined diesel car is perhaps better for the job as it's comfortable swell
Have recently completed 170 mile journey with 130 miles on motorway touring a 400KG trailer tent, mpg for whole journey was 58 mpg.
Perhaps the Original poster should hire a Citroen C1 or C2 Diesel for a week and see what the mpg is when he drives his route to work for a week then hire say the C4 1.6 HDI for a week and see if the extra mpg that he may get out of C1 or C2 over the C4 is worth the sacrific in comfort?
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With that route the problem is any car going nowhere gets 0mpg! At 50mph our 1.0 petrol Aygo will do 60-70mpg and it will cope with the M62, but it's not a place to spend 3-4 hours a day.
A C2 may be better, but I've never found small diesels to be that refined in the cabin as money isn't spent on sound insulation.
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For lengthy motorway journies or anybody who will be spending alot of time in their car i'd always recommend something a little bigger with a little bit more punch. These little diesel supermini's may post good fuel economy figures but in my view a slightly bigger engine, for that sort of work can return just as good if not better economy with less fuss. People often assume the smaller the engine the less fuel it will use, thats never strictly been the case. In my view you want at least a 1.6 for that sort of work, minimum. 2.0litre diesel is probably the most ideal.
The problem is if you do a long motorway journey or spend 4 hours a day in a little diesel supermini you know you've done a long motorway journey. It can be a tiring experience.
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"People often assume the smaller the engine the less fuel it will use, thats never strictly been the case. In my view you want at least a 1.6 for that sort of work"
Well we have a 1.6tdci Fiesta, great car but cant beat the C1 for economey, especially at higher speeds on the motorway. The fiesta is good though and close.
For me suffering with a rhumatic condition the C1 is great as the clutch pedal and gear lever etc are just so light to use. The brake pedal is great and you only have to breath on it to stop it on its nose, and the electric PAS is so light in town and parking its a gem.
The controls must be at least 50% lighter to use compared with the Fiesta ! and once you get to a 2.0TDci car the clutch is always heavey in traffic ! I know as I have had plenty !
Just filled the C1 up this morning as the fuel beeper came on !
it took 31.00ltrs dead, fuel to the rim of the filler ! 482 miles so returned 69.7mpg and some of that was local running about over the weekend so not bad. Thats real MPG !
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