In Praise of...Segways - unthrottled

Yes, yes I know they have a reputation as being the prefered means of locomotion for bumptious nerds and you look like a dork riding one. But once you stop sn*****ing and think about them-they make a lot of sense.

They blow electric cars out of the water. They massively reduce congestion, road wear, parking problems, and are fully compatible with mass transit. In these aspects, electric cars are no better than conventional ones. Segweys are also more practical than bicycles for urban commuting.

And does the Government applaud the great invention? No, they ban it from the road and the pavement, thus consigning the great invention to being an expensive, impractical toy.

It would make a lot of sense for urban households to have a segway for the city, and a conventional car for longer trips.

Why won't the government scrap the restrictions on segweys instead of leaning on car makers to produce tax-dodging coal fired cars?

I feel so cross, that I'm half tempted to start an 'e-petition' were it not for the fact that e-petitions are the most egregious example of minimum-effort democracy. The notion that clicking 'like' somehow validates an opinion and should effect change in the world is risible.

See Jamie, I'm not a complete luddite!

In Praise of...Segways - Bobbin Threadbare

And does the Government applaud the great invention? No, they ban it from the road and the pavement, thus consigning the great invention to being an expensive, impractical toy.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?!!!!! Banned? But they're only as dangerous as a motability scooter....oh wait.....dammit.

Have you ever played on a Segway?

I propose an e-petition against e-petitions. I've possibly said that before.

In Praise of...Segways - unthrottled

Yes. That's why you don't see them on public highways. They can only be used on private property.

I've never been on one, but I'd buy one in a trice if I could take it on the road.

In Praise of...Segways - Bobbin Threadbare

Presumably because they aren't safe, according to our UK definitions of 'road-safe'.

In Praise of...Segways - jamie745

I tried to write a big informative reasonable post on this matter but then the website signed me out and lost it. So i give up. Back to being a knob it is then.

In Praise of...Segways - unthrottled

It must be your browser. Not the site. Not at all!

I always 'select all' and 'copy' a lengthy post, so that if the sit...[Browser-HJ] comes up with the infernal Internal Error 500, I don't have to start again.

In Praise of...Segways - jamie745

Oh you get that Error 500 message too, when it sits there for ages then dies. Its not just me then. Stoneage system.

In Praise of...Segways - jamie745

I think he really has lost it this time!

I admit i like the segway, i think its a fantastic thing but im not sure it'll be the solution to all of urban transport issues even if we could use it. People dont buy a car, electric or otherwise to be compatible with mass transit so thats not particularly a reason to have one. But you're right in that the electric car has very few benefits over a conventional one, other than running costs and emissions its pretty much the same as what we've all been driving for decades. It may reduce congestion, roar wear and parking problems but you could say the same about a much cheaper bicycle. The car, in whatever form has so many benefits over a segway that it shouldnt be measured against the car but instead against the bicycle or walking, then its on a level playing field.

It would make a lot of sense for urban households to have a segway for the city, and a conventional car for longer trips.

Why won't the government scrap the restrictions on segweys instead of leaning on car makers to produce tax-dodging coal fired cars?

Bizarre car taxes and unwarranted Government cashback offers for electric cars are a very valid topic and a matter for another thread. But the segways problem is that the car is superior in most criteria. Is it financially sensible or reasonable to expect an urban family to pay to keep a car on the road, which can do everything and pay for an expensive toy for their daily commuting convenience? You'll say 'but you dont need a car just to get yourself to work in a city' and you're right but you do need a car for a variety of other uses, so much so for the vast majority of people, the car will still be a neccessary expense. They wont get rid of the car and get a segway instead. A car can carry passengers, take you long distances in comfort in all weathers, you can carry things with you etc and yes it can also take one person to work. The segway can better it on the last one but not on everything else, so segway owners will still need a car. And when it comes down to it, financially its sensible to keep the one tool which can do everything and ditch the limited use objects.

Who's going to have a segway for the city and car for longer trips when a segway is very expensive? Who?! Only people who can do it because they can, so it'll be a small market share. Most people will say they cant justify the expense for both so they'll just stick with the car as its the best all rounder, and still nobody has found an alternative to the best all rounder which is the car, and i dont think they ever will. Its like people who say 'oh i have a small economical car to go to work and a big car to go out on weekends with the family' and we'd tell them that when you count in VED, insurance, mot, servicing etc on the small car its more financially viable to get rid of it and use the big one for all tasks.

The Government's ban on them however is bizarre. Apparently we cant have them on the road because...we cant. If no licence or training is required to use something which you say can achieve car-like in town speeds then that will concern them, if they couldnt fine them for 'driving' without a 'licence'. And on the pavements at that speed its going to scare the hell out of the old dears outside Costa Coffee as some 8 foot gorilla comes by with wheels on his feet. Its just an expensive bicycle, and bicycles are a fad also, all the greenies come out in summer on their bike then in September when it cools down and starts to rain is when the X5 comes out of the garage.

Fantastic for urban commuting to work? Yes absolutely, millions could benefit from it for that application.

A replacement for the car or financially viable to have in addition to the car? Im afraid not.

In Praise of...Segways - unthrottled

I never touted it as a replacement to a car. But I don't see why it wouldn't be financially viable to have in addition to a car providing you could use it for commuting. The initial outlay is high, but it would conceivably drop quite a bit throuugh economies of scale.

If there was no VED, and almost negligible running costs then the Cost/year would be quite low. Unlike a car, a Segway could be kept indoors (without a garage) so it wouldn't age as quickly as a car.

Bicycles aren't a fad, but they are a pain if you're wearing a suit-or wantt o take one on a bus. I'd rather have a Segway than a folding bike. Those really are clown's toys!

In Praise of...Segways - jamie745

I didnt say you did suggest it as an alternative to the car but i feel the high costs makes it impractical for many people.

And as an aside about the website issues ive switched to Opera now and it seems to be handling this site a bit better.

In Praise of...Segways - unthrottled

Opera? Ooh! Who's fancy schmancy now?!

Since the running costs are genuinely so low, I think the high purchase price can be justified because it can reasonably be spread over many years. I bet if the £30 billion earmarked for HS2 was spent on providing a £500 grant for every man, woman, and child to have a segway, the environmental benefits and social benefits would be 10 times greater.

Does anyone really believe that shortening the travel time from Rotherham to London is going to make Londoners relocate to Rotherham in order to regenerate it???

Naive. People don't want to live in Rotherham because it is a dive, not because of public transport issues!

South Easterners look for excuses not to live in the North-East because they don't want to appear snobbish. But the fact remains that they wouldn't move there if you paid them.

In Praise of...Segways - Bobbin Threadbare

There's a golf buggy Segway! Although the list of bits and bobs you can get as accessories for any Segway is extensive and expensive.

This is all moot as the government has decided that British people cannot be trusted not to run (roll?) amok with their Segways.

In Praise of...Segways - unthrottled

Glide.

In Praise of...Segways - tmjs

Segways are an interesting design, but they cost 5 grand!

You can get an e-bike for a fraction of that.

In Praise of...Segways - unthrottled

But not nearly as much fun!

Hopefully, the price would come down with economies of scale.

Segways have very small footprints and would be ideal for town work, bikes can be quite inconvenient in town.

Most moves to improve the urban environment involve restrictions, taxes, cameras, humps and banning things. They curb freedom and enjoyment. The segway could put the fun back into town. Businesses that aren't adjacent to car parks would no longer be at a massive disadvantage.

I reckon they would singlehandedly do more to revitalise town centres than all the urban regeneration schemes combined.

In Praise of...Segways - Sofa Spud

Most things the Segway does can be done better with an electric bicycle. There was a race between two naked young women on Segways - so perhaps they do have a use after all!

In Praise of...Segways - ForumNeedsModerating

I don't think they'll get traction(!) as a mass urban transport device because of the all-important image problem: you look like a right tit on the thing.

In Praise of...Segways - greenhey

A few months ago my daughter and I had a weekend in Berlin.

On the Saturday we intended to tour the Third Reich sites. A much younger, relative had left a message for me that he and his girl-friend had done this in Segways, and had a great time.

I thought about it, and on cost grounds at least, opted for a guided walking tour, which was great.

While we were on the tour, we saw people on the Segways, and I realised what a bad idea they would have been.

The users were either on the pavement, and attracting animosity from pedestrians, or risking it in traffic. They were not able to talk to each other or the guide on their way around, had problems when they wanted to stop for a break, or visit somewhere that involved going inside; could not cope with steps; had to carry the helmet all day, even when not on the Segway, and at the end of the tour had to return to the start, whereas we could go where we wanted.

Apart from that, a good idea.

In Praise of...Segways - unthrottled

The users were either on the pavement, and attracting animosity from pedestrians, or risking it in traffic. They were not able to talk to each other or the guide on their way around, had problems when they wanted to stop for a break, or visit somewhere that involved going inside; could not cope with steps; had to carry the helmet all day, even when not on the Segway, and at the end of the tour had to return to the start, whereas we could go where we wanted.

That's just an example of a device being used incompetently. It doesn't detract from the device. Would you put a novice driver in a car and let them loose, then declare the car to be a bad invention?

You don't need a helmet on a Segway unless you're a bit of a nancy.

Why weren't they able to talk to each other? The whole point of having a small footprint is that they can be close together.

Yes, I know they only replace walking, but most people are disinclined to walk much except as a pastime.

In Praise of...Segways - jamie745

Steps is an interesting point though. If the Segway is heavy which i imagine it would be it cant be convenient when you come to some steps at....lets say...a train station.

In Praise of...Segways - Bobbin Threadbare

It's like a Dalek.

In Praise of...Segways - unthrottled

It is a shortcoming! But there are lifts at train stations...

In Praise of...Segways - Gordon17

About 3 years ago my wife and I took a tour of Washington DC on Segways. It was great fun and saved a lot of walking, but I wouldn't see it as a regular means of transport. It's very bulky and very heavy so you couldn't carry it upstairs. When you want to have a break you have to lean it against something or lie it down, and if you turn it off it takes several minutes to start up its gyros and stabilise before you can use it again.

I would say that you do need a helmet, unless you think you don't need a helmet on a pushbike.

And the cheapest one is just under £5,000 which is a lot of money for a device that carries a single person and no luggage.