People who resign when the going gets tough

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Mon 18 Jul 2011 16:47
People who resign when the going gets tough - Bobbin Threadbare

This News of the World drivel; why do all of these people resign immediately there are a few tough questions? Do they think it will all go away if they're suddenly not employed there any more?!! It makes them look spineless and pathetic. Probably the truth!

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Mon 18 Jul 2011 16:49
People who resign when the going gets tough - jamie745

How very random. Its the argument that such speculation makes their position "untenable" and with the likes of Ed Miliband constantly requesting Brooks' resignation (either in the belief it'll solve everything or he's run out of things to say) it can take alot of political heat out of the situation.

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Mon 18 Jul 2011 21:58
People who resign when the going gets tough - Falkirk Bairn

In some cases, not necessarily in the NOTW case, Policemen /women resign and draw their pension before they appear at an enquiry - this in some cases gives them their full Pension.

If they are found to be guilty of an error at a later date their full pension is not necessarily affected.

If they had not resigned they could have been sacked after a disciplinary enquiry and the Pension could be only be based on employee contributions and not the employee & employers total contributions.

Nobody can say that this is the case in the current NoTW case currently filling the newspapers!

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Tue 19 Jul 2011 23:46
People who resign when the going gets tough - JOGON

Yup, Falkirk Bairn. One of the invisible wheezes of the insultated public sector.

Even routine Police Officers, not the high profile 'Seniors' can retire age 50 with a £1M Pension Pot. Paid for by tax, by you and your children. Crazy.

Edited by Jog-on on 19/07/2011 at 23:47

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Tue 19 Jul 2011 23:58
People who resign when the going gets tough - bonzo dog

can retire age 50 with a £1M Pension Pot. Paid for by tax, by you and your children. Crazy

Now I honestly don't know so I am asking, but is it not the case that the (in this case) £1 million pot is simply untrue

The police, like many other public sector workers, together with a large but decreasing number of private sector workers have a final salery pension scheme which means that if the individual kicks the bucket the day after he retires he gets nowt; alternatively if he lives until 120 he will recieve up to 2/3rds of his final salary each & every month.

If I'm wrong, please correct me but if I'm right, why do you, Jog-on & others, quote lottery winning figures?

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Thu 21 Jul 2011 17:50
People who resign when the going gets tough - JOGON

can retire age 50 with a £1M Pension Pot. Paid for by tax, by you and your children. Crazy........................................

Now I honestly don't know so I am asking, but is it not the case that the (in this case) £1 million pot is simply untrue

If I'm wrong, please correct me but if I'm right, why do you, Jog-on & others, quote lottery winning figures?

>> To generate the payments they receive, a chap would have needed to put away a fund of that value. (I do not suggest they would 'get' £1M the day the retire, rather The Fund To Generate That Return).

The problem is that although they feel aggrieved, public sector never has been funded, there is no 'fund'. It is continually rolled over as a liability to Tax.

So if you were lucky enough to earn £8K pcm, some £4K would be skimmed off at source for a Teacher+pension, 9am-4pm, great Hols (yes a bit of "marking" too), a Policeman, and NHS etc.

Surprised the Public Sector haven't spoken up and taken the heat out of the argument by agreeing to the same pension regime as the Public (who pay theirs?). Help UK accounts to balance up then.

Edited by Jog-on on 21/07/2011 at 17:53

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Mon 18 Jul 2011 23:01
People who resign when the going gets tough - WellKnownSid

I think the phrase often quoted is that we've all be caught out by a "sudden, unexpected change in standards".

And by we, I mean all of us, after all we bought the damn newspapers in the first place and created a demand for this type and level of reporting. Otherwise News International wouldn't be the size it is now - quod erat demonstrandum.

When the news broke about Milly Dowler - then we collectively woke up and realised how far it had gone.

We were all shocked and a little surprised to discover that the country is really being run by the media and not by politicians we elected, who let's face it were only elected on the say-so of the media in the first place. Quick, someone, call the police... oh, hang on, they were in on it too.

Despite the obvious pressure the politicians are under right now, I can see certain party members rubbing their hands with glee at the 5-10 years of hard media censorship this may have bought them. Cold revenge for all that expenses coverage.

That's if they can cling on for long enough themselves.

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Tue 19 Jul 2011 11:56
People who resign when the going gets tough - madf

<i>And by we, I mean all of us, after all we bought the damn newspapers in the first place and created a demand for this type and level of reporting. </i>

Speak for yourself.

Nver bought the carp: infantile journalism for adults with infantile minds. You can count me and a lot of other people out. This holier than thou attitude is prevalent and rubbish. Accept blame for yourself and blame the other people who buy the rubbish.. but don't include me.

Trying to escape the consequences of your behaviour by including others who are not involved is typical of that level of readership.

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Tue 19 Jul 2011 14:25
People who resign when the going gets tough - bonzo dog

Am I the only person in the UK who seems to think that whilst detestable, listening into people's private converstaions & messages is hardly the crime of the century?

The anti-Murdoch media are the one's who are driving this - primarily the BBC but also Daily Telegraph (which I buy, before you ask).I aslo wonder how much of the exposures were timed to coincide with the attempt by News International to buy the rest of BSkyB

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Tue 19 Jul 2011 15:05
People who resign when the going gets tough - madf

"m I the only person in the UK who seems to think that whilst detestable, listening into people's private converstaions & messages is hardly the crime of the century?"

It is not: evidently.

But corrupting the police is a very serious matter as is lying under oath and obstructing the police in their enquiries.. And bribing people to remain quiet about crimes..

And any Director of a company found guilty of any of the above, will likely find themselves being disbarred from being a Director of a UK registered company let alone a PLC..

Edited by madf on 19/07/2011 at 15:07

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Tue 19 Jul 2011 20:25
People who resign when the going gets tough - WellKnownSid
Accept blame for yourself and blame the other people who buy the rubbish.. but don't include me.

I think that's the point!

Said the MP to Jeremy Vine last week "come on, you remember when you were a lowly political reporter, how anyone could get any information you wanted".

There followed some rabbit-in-the-headlights spluttering, and then the statement of "I don't think mobile phones were even invented back then", dodging the point!

Standards change. People used to drink and drive once - no big deal, wasn't even against the law. Now it's not just a crime, it's considered wrong.

We all make mistakes, tell porky pies, drive our cars at 30.5 mph in a 30 limit. I just think it's better the whole country moves on rather than fall into the usual trap of self-destruction.

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