What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

Can anyone tell me what this is please?

www.flickr.com/photos/64127830@N03/5840152792/in/p...m

What is this please? - john96

Jensen interceptor??

What is this please? - FP

Definitely. Jensen Interceptor. (1966-76)

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Edited by FocalPoint on 16/06/2011 at 20:41

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

Thank you both. What an awesome name for a car!

What is this please? - unthrottled

The engine sounds better than the name-440 cubic inches of Mopar muscle. Awesome indeed!

What is this please? - bathtub tom

A bit more detail here: www.rac.co.uk/products-services/car-data-checks/

A useful website for finding what's behind a reg plate.

Edited by bathtub tom on 16/06/2011 at 21:23

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

I have googled it. It is a lovely lovely thing.

What is this please? - jamie745

Just a shame it was built very badly by people who spent most of their day on strike.

What is this please? - unthrottled

Quite. A tragic combination of kamakazee unions and incompetent management ruined many great British automotive designs. Triumph, Austin, MG all came up with some superbly engineered cars that were fatally undermined by silly manufacturing errors.

What is this please? - jamie745

That was happening in a time where Postal Workers were offered a 24% pay increase and went on strike instead, these days you're lucky if your pay only gets frozen.

The biggest shame of it is that we had some immense engineering ideas back then, your post reminds me of when i was reading about Charles Spencer King's influence on British Leyland in the engineering sector, and widely credited for the invention of the Range Rover and many Triumph models, that on paper the ideas were brilliant, but never had the funding, the management or the dedicated workforce with the right ability to actually put the ideas into practice. World class designs, as forward thinking as the Germans are today with automotive engineering, completely ruined by Unions, strikes, poor management and soft Government.

What is this please? - kevg

Superbly engineered ? A touch of rose tinted glasses I think. I too remember those cars and more importantly motorbikes. It amazed me they got away with it for so long. The ordinary peoples cars were, quite frankly, rubbish. Morris 1000, wheels fell off on corners and they are a classic ? The Triumph Bonneville is held up as an icon yet if you held the throttle right open for more than a few minutes it blew up ! Had a Rover 75, lovely car but made sure it didn't have the K series motor. Superbly designed ? On the Rover 75 forum the guy who designed that motor said there was nothing wrong with it, it was the customers fault !

Strikes, unions, management, yup agreed (especially strikes) but let's not get carried away thinking the actual product was any good.

What is this please? - unthrottled

The end product is governed by build quality, consistency and attention to detail. The fundamental designs were sound. A lot of the highly vaunted Japanese cars of the 80s were little more than licenced versions of British designs. The difference was their products reflected the original engineers' goals, the British products didn't.

What is this please? - jamie745

When things like the cheap affordable Nissans came along and showed Britain that normal peoples cars could also be reliable the blueprints for them were largely the same as what we were making, just they built them properly and with the right materials. Where as we lumped stuff together with a "that'll do" mentality.

What is this please? - Collos25

I had a brand new Datsun 180 coupe 1974 five speed backwards way round gearbox gate it rusted from day one it was absolutely rubbish.The vauxhall estate that followed it was a far far better car.

What is this please? - unthrottled

The maligned K series engine has a lot of merits-really only let down by the head gasket issue which was belatedly resolved. It was efficient, light weight, warmed up very quickly, and, h/gasket issues aside, very strong.

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

My goodness what have I unleashed..? I just thought it looked a bit Gene Hunt. I don't think you can compare a 70s car with today's vehicles (aside from the 4 wheels, engine, seats thing obv); expectations were totally different; it wasn't even compulsory to have seatbelts until 1983!

What is this please? - bathtub tom

>>it wasn't even compulsory to have seatbelts until 1983!

Are you sure? IIRC they had to be retrospectively fitted to all cars registered from 1965 on.

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

You didn't need to wear them until 1983 is what I meant, I'm sure of it; then it became illegal not to. I remember 'clunk click'' when I was a little girl. All cars had to have them in the front since the 60s but it wasn't illegal not to wear them.

What is this please? - daveyjp

Wasn't the Interceptor the first car to have a curved glass rear screen and also a rear wiper?

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

www.flickr.com/photos/64127830@N03/5842765585/

There's the back of the Jensen!

Wiki says: "The Interceptor took its styling cues from the Brasinca Uirapuru, [2] with a distinctive large, curving wrap-around rear window that doubled as a tailgate. The original specification included electric windows, reclining front seats, a wood rimmed steering wheel, radio with twin speakers, reversing lights and an electric clock. Power steering was included as standard from September 1968."

I did find a company that is remaking (re-imagining really) the Interceptor, calling it the 'SX' and charging £145,000 for it!

What is this please? - Avant

(I've been away for a few days and now catching up.)

'Interceptor' was one of the finest names ever given to a car: Jensen used it for several models, the first in the 1950s. That was a good era for names - Triumph Renown and Standard Vanguard, and perhaps Ford Consul / Zephyr / Zodiac have a good British ring to them, not matched by modern names which strive to be international.

What is this please? - unthrottled

I think Mitsubishi's overly Chuck Norrisesque Barbarian/Warrior/animal takes the award for the most pathetic attempt at machismo nomenclature. I'm amused by vdub's Amorak which I always read as anorak which I'm sure VAG's PR men didn't have in mind!

Best sobriquet has to be the AC Cobra, or the Ford Mustang.

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

Watch it...Chuck Norris can run you over with a parked car.

I reckon the worst car name is the Ssangyong Rexton. Although when I was little my parents had a Datsun Cherry and there was nothing cherry-like about it.

What is this please? - Armstrong Sid

I know manufacturers spend millions trying to come up with names, but they can still get it wrong.


Can't believe Ford used the name Probe for their awful-looking coupe in the 90s
("come and have a look at my probe...")


Vauxhall eventually stopped using Nova, because in some Euro-languages countries it can be "no va.." ie Not Going


Datsun used to name their cars things like Cedric and Fairlady


And it's not just urban myth that Mitsubishi named a model Starion, because they couldn't tell the difference between that and Stallion, which is what they thought they were using

What is this please? - davmal

Ford Kuga and Cougar.

Was that deliberate?

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

Smart cars - now there's an oxymoron

What is this please? - InAQuandry
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Edited by InAQuandry on 18/06/2011 at 14:30

What is this please? - InAQuandry
Surely the most bizarre name at the mo has to be the Renault Wind? Imagine the conversation: "I've got a Megane how about you?" "Oh I've got wind!" :)

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

Hahaha.

What about the Volugrafo Bimbo? Or the Daihatsu Naked? The Ford KA has a lot to answer for; arguments of whether it's pronounced like the snake from Jungle Book or 'Kay-ay'. Just imagine a Scouse Ford KA appreciation club...

What is this please? - bathtub tom

The Mazda Bongo Friendee. I once stood next to one.

What is this please? - kevg

I can say as a Scouser we pronounce it kaa

What is this please? - kevg

"h/gasket issues aside, very strong. " ?? wot ?? haha

What is this please? - unthrottled

yup. Fundamentally a decent design. It's a popular kit car engine.

What is this please? - kevg

sorry unthrottled but how can it be a good engine if the head gasket goes every time you use it at speed, or even on a long journey ? it is a basic design fault.

What is this please? - bintang

No problem with mine (in an MGf) on a 3000 mile European jaunt or at 100 m.p.h. in runs

on a French morotway that was on strike at the time.

What is this please? - unthrottled

It doesn't go every time you use it at speed. I agree that it's a curate's egg but with the head gasket issue fixed, it's a good motor.

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

Me too ;-)

What is this please? - Trilogy

The Jensen's shocking fuel consumption was a major factor in it's demise, 8 -12 mpg!

What is this please? - unthrottled

Really? The consumption is certainly no worse than a Jag v12 or range rover v8 in which the Brits managed to extract terrible economy from comparitively small engines. Bristol used the 360 Chrysler smalblock for years without it being unduly thirsty.

We are talking about a 440 CID of performance here!

What is this please? - Trilogy

It's worse than those 2. Rover V8 can be relatively economical, it's half the size of the Jensen engine.

What is this please? - unthrottled

Half the size therefore half the performance. Sadly not half the fuel consumption.

The rover V8 wheezed up an anaemic 130ish horsepower but in the range rover it only yielded ~10-15mpg. Ok, the vehicle was heavy but most people get better economy when they retrofit a Chevy small block and put in taller gears. The tiny cylinders of the Rover/Jag v12 meant that the engine p***ed heat into the heads at low engine speeds. The big Chrysler/Chevy engines retained their efficiency down to very low engine speeds-which is the whole raison d'etre of the v8/v12 engine.

The small cylinder vs big cylinder trade off is beatifully illustrated by comparing the Chevy LS7 to a BMW 5.0 V10. The chevy wipes the floor with the 'advanced' BMW, in terms of torque and fuel economy, weight, and overall physical bulk.

What is this please? - Trilogy

Rover V8 can easily achieve over 20 mpg.

Just because its half the size, doesn't mean half the performance. :)

What is this please? - unthrottled

It does really since the Buick 215 valve gear isn't really very good-even by pushrod standards-so you can't rev it.

An old school chum of mine has a Monaro-In 6th gear it'll yield nearly 30 mpg-at 60mph. 350 cubic inches, 350 horses, nearly 400lbf.ft of torque-cylinder deactivation at low load...outclasses the buick in every respect.

The buick 215 was never any good. That's why GM sold off the tooling to a begging BMC who couldn't manage to build their own v8. No one stateside uses the Buick 215-because it's junk.

People only stick up for the buick 215 because they think it's a great British design-it isn't British, and it isn't great.

What is this please? - richardcroft

'Never any good' is a sweeping statement. A plethora of owners with this engine would laugh you off the forum

0-60mph in around 5 seconds means that V8 engine was plenty quick enough and big enough, light weight too. The engine only needed a 5 speed gearbox to attain 30mpg plus at 60 mph. None of this fancy 6 speed stuff

What is this please? - unthrottled

Enthusiasts tend to have rose tinted compassion for their pet cars. The fact is the Buick 215 has never obtained very inspiring BSFC or performance figures compared to competing designs. The engine has a weak valve train and frequently requires an overhaul after only 100,000 miles. For an engine with a low specific output, that's atrocious. It's only merit is its light weight, but on a lb/hp basis it is still poor. The ford small block is physically smaller. The chevy small block is far more capable. The aluminium SBC is not that much heavier than the Buick. There is far more aftermarket support for the SBC and SBF.

You can spend £10,000 building up a trick 5.0+litre buick that'll just about make 400hp and have all the shortcomings of a full race engine. Or you could take a stock 350, bolt on a nice set of AFR heads, add a rollor cam, a nice dual plane intake, 4 barrel carb and have an easy 400 streetrable horsepower and change out of £5 grand. No comparison.

I'd like to see a buick 215 do 0-60 in 5 seconds in a Go kart.

What is this please? - richardcroft

LOL!

What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

Ok here's another 'what is this?'

www.flickr.com/photos/64127830@N03/5853163297/in/p...m

What is this please? - Armstrong Sid
How about Audi TT with bodykit for people with no taste
What is this please? - Bobbin Threadbare

It looks like a hoover or a snowplough to me. Mega tacky - especially in that pukey green!

What is this please? - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:...""The ordinary peoples cars were, quite frankly, rubbish. Morris 1000, wheels fell off on corners and they are a classic ? ""

But at least at the time BMC / BL cars were no worse than contemporary offerings from Renault or Fiat and technically they were superior to VW's Beetle and its derivatives. VW survived only by having unrivalled quality control. Bad cars made well, as it were.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 21/06/2011 at 10:57