Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Dutchie

The coalition Governement is bringing in new laws next year to fine drivers who tailgate cutting up and undertaking and other various bad driving behaviour.

Will this work and will it make our roads safer?

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - jamie745

Well first off it seems with decreasing police numbers these powers will rarely be able to be practiced, police generally have better things to do than spend half hour with a tailgater and give him a fine, especially with numbers squeezed.

What i dont agree with is the proposal that the police can apply points to your licence then and there, surely that undermines the justice system and the principle of the police NOT being judge and jury.

Anyway, you'll still be able to appeal that in the courts and i can see a situation where due to technicalities alot of these decisions are repealed. Currently there already are laws against things like dangerous driving, careless driving, driving otherwise in accordance etc etc and most of those laws cover pretty much all of the bases already. Police can already dish out fixed penalty notices for a wide range of driving offences, essentially all this is saying is the range of offences could be wider. There is nothing new or revolutionary in this, most of it is already being done by the Police actually. The offences targeted by this are very low level offences and could often become a matter of opinion, which is why police should not be allowed to dish out points themselves. So the only practical need i can see to the Government is to try and raise some easy money off the motorist, but i dont see how they intend to do that by cutting police numbers, so its an oxymoron and will in the end mean nothing.

The Police wont have enough numbers to impliment these "new" laws to any real degree and even if they did the amount of appeals would then result in the courts not being freed up for other things (freeing up the courts is another segment of this idea).

So overall, no it wont work and no it wont make our roads safer. And whilst we're on Coalition policies, i dont see how in the UK, where the driving standard is frankly terrible, that they can put out a "policy" today which is aimed at saving lives on the roads, and then in the next breath basically say that these awful drivers will be legally allowed to do 80 down the motorway (raising the actual driving speed from 85 to 100).

Edited by jamie745 on 12/05/2011 at 01:04

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Dutchie

Could't get on this site yesterday error message kept coming up.

I don;t think the driving standards are that terrible in the UK Jamie.Drive abroad for a while and you see the same type of nutcases on the road.

So you think this is a political stunt for attention?You maybe right we have to wait and see.

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Collos25
The police have these laws already in Germany and there are plenty of unmarked police cars patroling the autobahns but it does not seem to make any difference with plenty of speeding,tailgating and general bad driving.
Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Roly93

I can't see it will make much difference, as the event would have to be witnessed to be issued with an instant fine. So unless they are putting 1000's of extra cops on the road how will they see this happening ? So frankly it is another load of time wasting legislation by the governemt, when they should be thinking about how to repair the social and economic fabric of Britain !

Edited by Roly93 on 12/05/2011 at 12:17

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Dutchie

It was mentioned that the previous governement was to involved with speed camaras instead of looking at behaviour on the road.

Often a warning to any motorist will go a long way instead of instant fines which will cause more resentment to the police.

Iam more worried about the National Health service and what they are up to.I would't like to see a system what they have in the States but if anybody thinks they have a better system than we have here they are welcome to discuss this on General discussion.

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Sofa Spud

As well as the introduction of spot fines for careless driving, another proposal was announced - that all disqualified drivers, at the end of their period of disqualification, would have to re-take their driving tests, presumably with re-training beforehand.

I think this is a good proposal. It would probably weed out some drivers who decide to give up rather than learn to drive all over again.

After all, some people don't drive because they were unable to pass the test in the first place, others are barred from driving on medical grounds, so why should drivers who have abused their privilege, and lost their licence as a result, not have to re-take their test?

Edited by Sofa Spud on 12/05/2011 at 12:56

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Bobbin Threadbare

I reckon that we just don't have the police-power for it. It also puts the power on the officers to act as police, judge and jury. It takes quite a long time to book a speeder (dad was a traffic cop; I don't speak from experience of being caught!!) and this is another time waster for them. I drive on the M6 daily, and there's only really a police presence at the beginning of each month, as they're on the lookout for expired tax discs.

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Ethan Edwards

Well it won't be too long before the extended members of the 'Police Family' are thouroughly abusing their new powers. Annoyed of Brighton will be fuming in the papers...don't say you weren't warned.

Some people in the 'Police family' be they Blunkett's Bouncers, or whatever, are of a type that should NEVER NEVER be given a peaked cap uniform and even a smidgeon of authority. Stupid bullies in fact. Don't believe me? Whip out a camera and start taking pictures in public places, and watch the mounting official stupidity that will erupt before your very eye's.

As now 'Policing by consent' that oft used hackneyed phrase. We'l it actually means the legal law abiding motorist is the only one that will ever be caught. The Travellers, the criminal and the yob? Business as usual they will continue to be utterly immune to the law.

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - jamie745

@ Dutchie. No i dont think its for any real attention, theres nothing revolutionary in any of this. I think its another case of soundbite without a real policy which has become a staple of this Conservative led mish mash of a Government.

I feel the driving standard in this country is poor, but with 33 million vehicles on the road i suppose on average you dont have to go far to find a poor driver, and a million good ones in between can go unnoticed. But i still believe the last thing we should be doing is encouraging people to drive faster. You could have HGV's doing 60 while cars legally doing 80 and that just isnt right, the bigger the divide of speeds of cars on the motorway, the more chances you have for an accident. And if on motorways the limit was 80, people would really drive at 95, leaving people in smaller, lower powered cars feeling extremely vulnerable. And i dont see how people are expected to pay £1.40 for a litre of petrol and then pretty much told to drive faster and waste it all.

What i feel the Government really need to focus on is the growing problem of uninsured drivers, driving without licence etc, if you watch any of the fly on the wall documentaries, Traffic Cops, Road Wars etc its obvious how much of a common issue this is. The new law brought in by Labour to seize cars from uninsured drivers was a big step forward but more is needed. Sheer numbers mean you can get away with it for up to many years before you're caught but prison sentances for repeat offenders are unproductive (as they'll only reoffend when they come out) and impractical (we dont have enough space) and currently the thin blue line against it is even thinner than before with cuts on the way. Recesson drives crime, everybody knows that, so when do the Tories decide to cut the police budget? Yoouuuu guessed it!!!

Theres plenty i could say about this Coalition and its pathetic policies most notably spending cuts and how they kick the most vulnerable in the face and bang on about how its all Labour's fault and the Tory led decisions are in the "national interest" (despite over 60% of the country not voting for them) but we'll leave that for another day as thats not what this thread is about.

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - cellarman

The coalition Governement is bringing in new laws next year to fine drivers who tailgate cutting up and undertaking and other various bad driving behaviour.

Will this work and will it make our roads safer?

The short answer is no ! For it to work you need TPO`s. they are now becoming a thing of the past due to the cut backs.

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Sulphur Man

Tree Preservation Orders?

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Smileyman

I hope they also tackle drivers who park themselves in lane 2 or 3 of multi lane motorways when lane 1 is free - use lane 1 - I hate having to move from lane 1 to lane 3 or 4 to overtake these drivers then move back to lane 1 again

and tackle drivers who 'fail to make due progress' ie drive too slowly for the conditions - it's one cause of dangerous overtaking and it's not fair to only penalise the overtaker of too slow moving vehicles.

Instant fines for drivers who break the law. - Hamsafar

This would be unlawful. Are you sure this isn't a 'conditional offer' approved bribe?