any - Roundabout Technique - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

Like many other people I’m having trouble at smaller roundabouts.

I follow the Highway Code advice of giving way to vehicles from my right. However, what does ‘give way’ actually mean? I have always taken it to mean if someone on my right has actually entered the roundabout I wait. Recently, I have entered roundabouts and someone from my right, who had not reached the roundabout when I set off, has come up behind me blowing the horn. Advice please.

any - Roundabout Technique - johnnyrev

If it is a small roundabout, maybe the cars approaching from your right are not slowing down and driving straight across the roundabout. If they haven't even reached the roundabout when you enter it, then they are suddenly trying to climb into your boot, then they are probably driving too fast, and expecting that nobody will get in their way.

We have an awkward busy small roundabout nearby, and I often pull out at the same time as a car to my right, but if they accelerate faster they are soon on my bumper. I would assume that 'give way' means to cars on the roundabout, but is that correct? Anybody...?

any - Roundabout Technique - craig-pd130

I would say if you can enter the roundabout without impeding a vehicle on your right, or causing it to change its course, you're fine.

The roundabout technique I see is generally terrible though -- my pet hates are dual-carriageway roundabouts at which people "straight-line" when going across (i.e. switch lanes on the roundabout itself), and the classic "all the way round in the outside lane without ANY signal"

any - Roundabout Technique - veryoldbear

Main problem round our way seems to be with the mini-roundabouts that done't have a raised bump i.e. are just a white blob painted on the road surface. Some of the lads here just belt straight across without making any attempt at slowing or deviating i.e. treat it with no more respect than if it was road-kill.

any - Roundabout Technique - ddr

I have to admit I tend to entirely ignore mini roundabouts if the road is clear (pass over the top without slowing much). Generally they have been shoehorned into an innapropriate space as a replacement for a T-junction.

If not clear, I give way of course. Pet peeve of mine is the situation where 3 vehicles arrive at a mini roundabout at the same time. Cue all 3 hesitating and wondering who is going to go first.

This is why roundabouts properly designed have a raised bed in the middle with trees and such - the foliage is to stop you seeing the other exits!

any - Roundabout Technique - 12345oncei

My missus almost got shunted by some one last night with the 'All the way round in the outside lane on a dual carriage way roundabout' malarky.

There is a small roundabout not far from here which often is the scene of the 3 car stand off, I normally just go.

any - Roundabout Technique - veryoldbear

If you drive a lot in France, you will have noticed they are very fond of the "going round in the outside lane" game. Yes, I know they go the other way round, but it can be very disconcerting.

any - Roundabout Technique - WellKnownSid

Driving instructors in Spain still teach the "stay in the inside lane all the way around the roundabout unless doing a U-turn" technique. In principle, therefore, British and Spanish roundabout techniques are completely incompatible when used on the same roundabout. You have to give-way to traffic from the LEFT on entering, but if you're on the roundabout you then have to give way to any traffic from the RIGHT cutting in front of you.

You soon learn to change the driving style unless there is NOTHING else on the road... unless you're having a race with a boy-racer SEAT driver, when you simply head for the nearest roundabout and leave them for dust as they slowly-navigate-past-every-exit-in-the-nearside-lane... ;)

any - Roundabout Technique - unthrottled

This is why roundabouts properly designed have a raised bed in the middle with trees and such - the foliage is to stop you seeing the other exits!

Isn't the whole raison d'etre of roundabouts to avoid unnecessary stopping? Poorly designd roundabouts are worse than non at all really-they only work well if the exits are sufficiently widly spaced to permit traffic to filter onto them. I don't like mini roundabouts-they're too small to negotiate 'properly' and they create the ambiguity that OP mentioned. I think the uncertainty is intentional. Road planners hope that uncertainty over right of way will slow traffic down and improve safety and traffic flow. But I think the opposite effect happens:thuggish drivers blunder on regardless, defensive drivers hesitate unnecessarily. Or two hesitant drivers arrive simultaneously:both yield-then 5 seconds later both attempt to go...! A conventional T junction would surely work better.

any - Roundabout Technique - Armstrong Sid

I've always thought the big problem with mini-roundabouts is that many drivers simply don't understand what they are or how to deal with them. They just close their eyes and hope everything will be ok.

If a driver is presented with a normal-sized roundabout they will usually have at least a basic grasp of the principles of how to proceeed around it (allowing for the people who have been mentioned in previous posts).

But when they are confronted by a much smaller version of the same thing, they don't seem to understand how the same rules can apply. They look on it as a T-junction and completely ignore the thinking of "give way to the right/priority from the left" which they would use on the full-size version.

any - Roundabout Technique - Dutchie

Driving recently in France any roundabout you take a change.After a few days you get used to their way and go for it.

Its not a matter for most drivers to understand a mini roundabout.They don't make a lot of sense to me you might as well have a T junction.

any - Roundabout Technique - newman

I would advise approaching any roundabout, whether it be the mini, or large variety, by looking well in advance. Look whether anyone is coming from your right and make sure those on your left actually stop. A lot of people don't indicate on roundabouts, so always presume those on your right will come accross your path and you will have to give way.

Also, if those cars on your left have entered the roundabout, and you are able to leave at your exit, you can do so (effectively, that car is blocking anyone coming from the right anyway). If you plan in advance, there is often no need to come to a full stop. As to your question about when to give way, it is not really when the car on the right enters the roundabout - you should give way just on their approach to the roundabout. That way, you will not risk entering the roundabout at the same time as them.

So look right, double check left and if your car can make the exit before anyone on your right enters the roundabout, you are fine. Hope that helps.

Edited by newman on 12/05/2011 at 19:54

any - Roundabout Technique - bbc123

I agree with that. Have you been IAM or RoSPA trained?

any - Roundabout Technique - newman

My dad is a driving instructor and he taught me about 5 years ago. He has passed on a lot of useful information over the years. I want to teach as well, but not an easy job.

any - Roundabout Technique - John F

I want to teach as well, but not an easy job.

Please teach not to leave R indicator on when leaving roundabout - my main grouse! And why do some people indicate R, then L, when going straight across a roundabout at a crossroads? Aaaargghh!

If no-one around, by all means take the racing line! Saves fuel and tyres.

any - Roundabout Technique - newman

LOL. I find it very annoying when people fail to signal out when leaving the roundabout (i.e. signal L). Another thing are those people that do not maintain lane position during the roundabout manuvour, and end up cutting people up.

any - Roundabout Technique - cellarman

I agree with that. Have you been IAM or RoSPA trained?

No, he obviously has not ! The rule is that you give way to traffic on your right that has already entered the roundabout or IS LIKELY to reach/enter the roundabout before you do. ! At least that was the rule when I took my class one driving course !

any - Roundabout Technique - newman

Someone is a bit of a big head haha.I think that is what I said, if you read my post carefully!

any - Roundabout Technique - newman

I tried to answer the OPs question and also gave practical advice.

The OP already knows that you give way to your right.

any - Roundabout Technique - Displayed

I recently had trouble on a mini roundabout, I was comming from the one direction where I did not need to give way, there being no cars comming my way, so I entered the roundabout, just after a car tried to enter it which would of gone straight into the front of me...then gave me the finger...I was not impressed.

any - Roundabout Technique - Craigdm

Scandanavian Flick to line up with your exit road and then boot it through the apex?

any - Roundabout Technique - Sofa Spud

There's a small urban roundabout near us with planting in the middle - making it a bit bigger than a mini-roundabout.

The problem with roundabout is that the planting obscures oncoming traffic. The other day I pulled out as there was nothing coming, only to have a boy-racer come tearing round the roundabout, much too fast, from the (obscured) ahead position, making a right turn, and had to slam on their brakes.

any - Roundabout Technique - Roly93

I sympathise entirely with your predicament. I have been driving for 33 years and I have still not masterd the art of all roundabouts. My take on this if I understand you that if someone is very close to the roundabout approaching from the right or travelling at highish speed from the right, you slow down and give way.

Personally I am not so bothered by mini roundabouts, the large complex islands are the ones that get me. It seems that if you ever try to change lanes due to an error or similar people want to kill you where you sit ! However I would like to shake the hand of the traffic engineer who had the good idea of now putting dotted guide-lines on some very large and complex roundabouts, to help people navigate the system in a safer and more efficient way.