I like to contribute to both sites, but find t'other one so much more erudite.

See: Rover 25 - Brake Caliper www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=87127

and: Unmarked Traffic Car Baiting Drivers www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=90896

I thought Erudite was a sort of glue! I must get out more!

Has anyone here ever heard that remark about arguing on the internet? That even when you win you're still an idiot.

Seriously. This is like...internet War. Complete with mission statements and defections.

Edited by Avant on 08/05/2011 at 23:32

Chaps I'd thought I would defend this site as HJ comes up from time to time over there. That forum is never discussed here in the same way, so maybe the practice could cease and leave each site to cater for those on it. Each to there own and all that.

Its all good :-)

No the moaning starts over there about here not the reverse as this site not many know about the other.

As i post on both and other sites c4p is becoming very stale same old posters same trivial rants and been away from other for a month came back to it to find same tosh.

Im staying here and my others. you enjoy it stu.

Quite Iffy.

I come back, read a few threads here and its the same old stuff, police are bad, what car should I buy, I got a speeding ticket how can I beat it etc etc. There is very little new in motoring week to week, which is why the non-motoring section at the other place gets so many posts compared to this one.

People find that they have more to say than a pure motoring forum allows and it gives just about every member an opportunity to access their knowledge at one time or another to the benefit of others, so that almost any reasonable query will get a decent answer from someone with the info. Its like the 5th Gear/Top Gear argument, some like one, some like the other.

Typical response. Reason why I left t'other side.

All I was posting, as it was a HJ thread, was the reasoning behind me leaving and the fact we here don't discuss what you bt and others post there, but you lot feel the need to discuss what is on the agenda here. I am being supportive and defensive of this site.

And as others have said, the regulars have turned it into a comfy group in a pub, who don't like strangers or wind people up to get a reaction. And if you don't get my drift, have a look at posts from Zero and Iffy. Especially the recent spat with MLC. Total respect for this man, who gets "attacked" whenever he posts from a police perspective. He's probably another one who you lot will chase off from posting there.

I hope all the traffic cops come back here and give us the guidance, advice and knowledge that would I hope be appreciated. Not a red rag to certain cap members. I repeat, it's turned into a members club. The only people they miss are those they like.

MLC had a hard time over here occasionally, I seem to remember.

A lot of this discussion is getting pointless - sort of "Mine's better than yours" stuff.

HJ doesn't allow the "other place" to be mentioned by name, though I see the various recent indirect allusions haven't been zapped, unlike previously - a welcome relaxation. The "other place" has a looser attitude to moderation. The house style is different and I enjoy the banter over there, where there are certainly more posts except for Technical. When an identical topic is started in the two places the difference in the number of responses is striking.

The point is that no-one is forced to be part of either. Proving that one is better than the other is impossible and attempting to do so only opens people to ridicule.

They are different - so just get used to it, make your choices and stop whingeing and point-scoring.

I wasn't actually referring specifically to you, Ben. But I really can't let what you've just put pass unchallenged. Re-read this:

"And as others have said, the regulars have turned it into a comfy group in a pub, who don't like strangers or wind people up to get a reaction. And if you don't get my drift, have a look at posts from Zero and Iffy. Especially the recent spat with MLC. Total respect for this man, who gets "attacked" whenever he posts from a police perspective. He's probably another one who you lot will chase off from posting there."

And you claim you're not saying one site is better than another? Wasn't that your original drift? You didn't like it over there, nasty people, it's much nicer here, so you left the dark side.

Next - you invite me/us to accept "the same criticism we sometimes get over there for once." I don't have a problem with that at all. It's just that you don't make the criticism over there, presumably because you can't cope with what you expect to be the response.

I think you're sheltering behind the stricter moderation policy here. You say you'd like to name the other site, but I think you're really happier sniping from the sidelines. You do realise, don't you, that probably many of the people you'd really like to have a go at won't be reading anyway?

Finally - you say MLC had a hard time on HJ from "the very same people that were having a go over there before they went away from here."

All I can say is that MLC made his choice to go there too.

"This is how they tear up any point or observation made. You've been warned."

Oh, come on, Ben! You should know I'm a pussycat! I just love the occasional argument, especially if there's a moral angle. You can't expect everyone to agree with you all the time.

You mustn't be upset. I was taught debating at school and that means scrutinising arguments and putting up contrary ones - nothing personal.

And I hope I can take criticism as well as anyone.

Actually MLC has been contributing recently, some interesting/useful comments on his car...

What is rather funny is that MLC is a copper, so has dealt with far more in life than Iffy, so I think your somewhat running him down if you think Iffy would cause him so much upset as to leave.

Ben old son, what your demonstrating is that you dont want anyone to disagree with your point/observation. If you feel your point is being torn up, perhaps thats because you feel its a little thin? If you want to stand up in a public forum and rubbish a group of people, which you have, dont start to moan when they tell you your outta order.

Judging by the type of exchanges ive read on here, I expect a few of the newer lot here would rather love a good 'exchange' with Iffy or Zero, especially with the light moderation elsewhere where they could really let go.