I know what you mean and I understand the technicalities of it. However, I reckon that there are actually CDs available which contain ONLY the bass parts of a track and have no treble on them at all - regardless of whether you can hear it in a car.

It's these special CDs which the red-light posers use to amaze us

Search Google for Drum and Bass, such things do exist!

It seems that just about every other road user annoys you. Is it possible that the problem lies elsewhere, other than with them?

Ahh but you sound experienced enough by now with the idiots to know you shouldn't get in the car on a bank holiday weekend. Forward planning.

Went out yesterday early to get some shopping done, a breeze...close enough to walk it but needed too much for carrying.

Took the old car out for a cruise today to drop something off, all the windows open (no B pillars) sunroof open, dog lolloping it ears in the breeze, never went above 50 and kept to country roads, lovely wifey dressed to please, could life be any better?

Work tomorrow and Monday...get that premium rate in.;)

One thing i wouldn't do though is go anywhere near the seaside or on any long journey's for pleasure on any bank hol, hell.

Good OP Jamie, how true.

Any one recognise these quotes?

And it seems in the UK people have a psychotic hatrid of having to wait 2 seconds to get somewhere. So you get held up by a couple of minutes? Big deal. Unless you're emergency services you have no need to be in that much of a rush.

I just think people have an over inflated view of their own self importance that everybody else on the road is inferior to them. They believe their journey is the most important. When in reality most of them have very insigificant lives and it wouldnt matter if they were 3 minutes late, or if it did then they should take responsability and set off earlier.

Most drivers who abuse others are generally awful drivers i find, but all drivers believe its everybody else who is in the wrong.

Know exactly where you're coming from 745. I usually pray for 'good' weather (i.e. raining) on bank holidays so all the chavs & numpties stay indoors in front of their plasmas with their screaming kids biting each others' ears off.

To be fair though, it's not only the chavs who pollute the roads up here (N.W.Wales coast) at holiday time - quite a few London rage-ists flying around the beach roads & country lanes going at 'I-must-get-the-commute-done-ASAP' speeds even though they're on R&R time.

I'll be taking the family out this Sunday afternoon - but will stick religiously to unknown backroads & away from anything with a 'to the beach' sign nearby.

Finally, special praise to the people of Betys-y-Coed (- a well liked venue for all & sundry bikists from Manchester to Shrewsbury over a bank holiday..) for their superhuman tolerance of the numerous MLC types who hate to have the air filled with anything other than Harley-Davidson thump-thump through unbaffled pipes - and I say that as a 'fellow' bikist too...

Quote 1: nothing to do with learners really, you were just extolling the virtue of patience.

Quote 2; nothing to do with learners either, you were just advocating humility and perspective.

Quote 3: nothing to do with learners, you abused several drivers, and categories there of, on this forum, or doesn't that kind of abuse count?

You just don't seem very tolerant, humble or polite - but you'd like everyone else to be. Then there was this little beauty:

That staying in the outside lane then cutting across to exit on the slip annoys me so much ive actually been known to see it coming, when im on the inside, and actually speed up to force the w***er in his Range Rover to stay on the outside and have to wait until the next exit. I felt really good doing that LOL!!

Don't think your corralling a car on the carriageway matches up to the standards you expect of everyone else either. Does the act that I've abused you directly make it worse than your indirect abuse to the Range Rover driver?

Give me a car with bikes on anyday or a caravan on a supermarket carpark (unless it's a really, really big caravan, or a really, really small car park)

Edited by Avant on 25/04/2011 at 00:17

Having been on the M25 today and seen far more examples of poor lane discipline than one would on a weekday, I have sympathy for Jamie's view. BUT Davey's advice is absolutely right and is worth following by all of us.

I'm keeping an eye on this thread: by all means have a spirited debate but please don't let it get personal, or out will come the virtual blue pencil.