Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - mm707
Lots of Audi / vw / Seat / Skoda drivers with 2.0 tdi engines are reporting piezo injector failures. These are happening due to a fault regardless of mileage or service history and appear to be more age related ( just outside warranty )

Many people are now reporting these instances to vosa. There is a safety issue as the cars cut out as soon as one injector fails.
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From someone on audi-sport.net that has reported the occurences to vosa ...............

Update from VOSA

They have had a meeting today with regards to this issue as it seems to be affecting anything with a 170 engine judging from the reports they have been getting. They want as many people as are affected to step forward and file a report to see how widespread the issue is and officially who's affected by this. They will be contacting VAG shortly and it will take up to 6 weeks to get an official response.

Let's see them make an excuse to VOSA about FASH now, (if FASH made any difference, we wouldn't have people asking like beggars for goodwill gestures, or getting the fault in the first place!)

Please please please get other people involved, on other forums or someone you know may have been affected. Even you guys that have had the injectors swapped, please file a report, it takes 2 minutes online and can help everyone.

I (we) are not after free injectors, I couldn't care less about them at this point. The fact Audi/VAG are STILL letting people drive around with a ticking timebomb IS EVERYONE'S PROBLEM. If they don't sort this problem out and get away with it, they'll be more inclined to sweep other "coincidences" under the rug too.

Please file, give VOSA the ammo they need, please re-post on other forums, anything with a 170 is affected:

VOSA LINK:
www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/onlineservices/vehicledefects....m
Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Roly93

I appreciate VOSA'a efforts, I'm just glad I bought a TDI 140 when I ordered my car from new, actually the sales guy advised me to do this, even though I was looking at the 170 !!

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - SteveLee

Instead of begging people to write to VOSA - stop buying the poxy cars - they'll soon change their tune (and injectors) if the customer base dries up. I'm sick to the back teeth of people who proclaim to buy VAG products for the (perceived) quality then put up with endless reliability issues uttering "I hope my next VW/Audi/Whatever is better than this one". I don't care what brand of car I buy, if it's a turkey I'll ditch it then steer clear of the brand until they get their act together. Worst offenders are Merc owners, Mercedes got away with building utter rubbish for 15 years and still people long for over-priced built-to-a-price Chryslers with a shiny star on the bonnet.



Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - 659FBE

Steve - with respect, you may be cutting off your nose...

A good diesel car with a long life (galvanised) body is a useful piece of equipment for those - such as myself - who have an application for this type of vehicle. Find a good one in terms of design and build quality, look after it and you may well get 150k miles + of relatively cheap and comfortable motoring from it.

But - you have to choose carefully and the Internet is your friend here. VAG have had more than their fair share of c o c k ups recently ranging from rain water ingress, oil pump drive failures, Teves Mk 60 failures and now Siemens unit injectors. Not nice - they're all potentially very expensive problems and VAG certainly have not distinguished themselves in terms of behaving honourably to their customers.

But they have also produced some good models too - most 1.9 PD engines gave excellent service to their users. Most of their cars don't rust and there are enough pattern spares around to keep oldies on the road - certainly there are plenty around. So, it's better not to generalise and it's also better to look very carefully before you buy. This is hard for the non specialist in matters automotive - which is why I deeply resent VAG's shoddy handling of their engineering errors more than the production of the badly designed goods themselves.

I'll forgive anyone a c o c k up; it's the way by which it is resolved which is a test of the true integrity of the seller.

659.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - SteveLee

659, I am not anti VW, I loved the Mk1/Mk2 Golfs had many of them and used to sprint them, I also liked the 90s Umwelt(sp?) diesels, very efficient and reliable.It's just you get so much "VW this" and "VW that" it gets on my nerves! VAG have committed several design howlers recently (like the ones you've pointed out) and the customers don't seem to be looked after. I would happily own a 1.9PD engineed VAG car. Indeed I like the look of the A3 estate (sportback?) do they actually make a model that actually rides nicely?

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Roly93

Instead of begging people to write to VOSA - stop buying the poxy cars - they'll soon change their tune (and injectors) if the customer base dries up. I'm sick to the back teeth of people who proclaim to buy VAG products for the (perceived) quality then put up with endless reliability issues uttering "I hope my next VW/Audi/Whatever is better than this one".

This is the usual VAG bashing and I'll informed post. Yes there has been a problem wirth the PIEZO injectors, but I have had 3 Audis now, 2 from new and in around 140K miles the only problem I ever had was a noisy wheel bearing. I own, have owned other cars but none of these have ever had the rattle free quality feel of the Audis even after 3 or 4 years of hard use.

The VAG injector problems are nothing compared to the Ford TDCI fuel sytem problems, or some of the build quality issues Renault have had in recent years just to quote a couple of examples.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - VOSA
VOSA have now received enough information on the injector defects and do not require any more reports to be sent in us.
If you have suffered or think that you may experiance this fault in the future, you should contact the relevant customer support group for your vehicle type.

Volkswagen (Tel 0800 0833914)
Jenny Boyd
Stefan Elliott

Audi (Tel 0800 699888)
Victoria Carter
Isabelle
Lindley
Jane Jones

Seat (Tel 0500 222222) & Skoda (Tel 08457 745745)
Simon Ackroyd
Ian Walsh Osm
Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - BuckbyEngineering

Mine's doing it, 2 faulty injectors and it's a 140, stopped dead today on a junction with my 4 year old daughter in the car! it's been difficult to start recently but this cutting dead and not restarting is a new developement, second time it's done it, I had it read today, 1 dead injector and one ropey one, 91k miles. I'm waiting for audi to call me back it's a A4 2.0L Tdi 140 hp

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Avant

659 or anyone else in the know - can we just confirm for everyone's benefit which engines this applies to? I think it's the 170 bhp PD engines fitted to VAG cars, and not the current common-rail diesels.

Is that correct?

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - 659FBE

The specific problem under discussion applies to unit injectors (PD system) in which the injector servo actuator is a short piezo stack whose stroke is increased by a system of levers. Siemens is a producer of this type of unit injector.

Bosch unit injectors fitted to the earlier versions of this engine used a solenoid actuator with no lever system - these were very reliable.

Common rail engines use a much simpler type of injector (the fuel is pressurised elsewhere) in which the actuator acts on the injector needle directly. They are characterised by having a long slender piezo stack. There have been difficulties with this type of injector in other applications - Delphi/M-B for instance.

659.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Avant

Many thanks - I knew you'd have the answer.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - 659FBE

Some bed time reading for you:

www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_352.pdf

659.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - jfarhead

You have to take into consideration that the vast majority of the public will not research every manufacturer's history, recalls, customer service, or recent faults when buying a vehicle. That doesn't mean the manufacturer can sell off faulty vehicles and get away with it because a customer didn't carry out a full investigation on a company's intergrity.

Without getting into a long rant, the bottom line here is they supplied vehicles with faulty parts and are letting people drive with a dangerous fault. This is not some sunroof leak that affects a batch of cars, it is a fault that cuts the engine out regardless of speed when the injector fails and you lose the ability to control your car in any safe manner. The stories are endless and across many forums, and whole VAG range is affected.

More and more people are finding out, not about the fault itself, but that we are taking a stand on this. We are not accepting the pre-written script that get recited to you when you call Audi/Skoda/Seat/VW... these need to be recalled before one of us gets into a serious accident and god forbid get killed or kill someone else.

VAG don't care how much I spend repairing my car, and it seems they don't care about my safety either. I consequently now don't care about VAG and how much damage is done to their reputation and how it will affect their sales if they will not take responsibility and fix this error. The ball is in their court, VOSA have officially witten to Audi form what I can confirm (possibly VAG), and it will be another 4 weeks from now for the official response. If VOSA are spineless and do nothing about this, it doesn't mean the fault it not still there and it doesn't mean it's over.

In the meantime anyone affected needs to report this to VOSA, we have had enourmous response across many forums, and we need to press on to help VOSA at this stage, and if this fails, press on with the next step with BBC Watchdog and papers etc...

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - madf

Toyota recall cars with faulty accelerators .

VAG do nowt. with cars that don't go.

Reminds me why I sold my Audi and now drive Toyota...

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - craig-pd130

@659, that is a fascinating document, thanks for posting it.

How all that can happen -- pilot injection, main injection, secondary etc etc -- at up to 30 times per second, per cylinder boggles my mind.

The movement of the piezo elements at under 0.05mm / less than 2 thou' is tiny.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - unthrottled

How all that can happen -- pilot injection, main injection, secondary etc etc -- at up to 30 times per second, per cylinder boggles my mind.

It boggles the injectors as well. This is why the piezo injectors are having such a hard time-the duty cycle is unrealistic. Fundamentally, piezo should be more reliable than solenoid operated innjectors, but this 5 injection events per cycle is a tall order.

I've just done a project on a big diesel to reduce the NOx emissions. We baulked at the multiple injection strategy and used water injection instead. The results were really very satisfactory. NOx compliant with mechanical injectors!

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - LJP

Hi to all, my 2008 A3 2.0tdi 170 DPF (common rail I think) has just had its second injector failure. No.3 injector failed Feb 2011 when the car was 3yrs 1month old and at 96K miles with full service history. No.1 injector has now failed in Apr11 at 106K miles. For the first injector + upgraded engine wiring loom Audi paid 70% of the bill leaving me with £300 to pay. For the second injector Audi or the dealer covered100%. On the plus side the car now does 52mpg on the motorway (up from 45mpg, s-tronic). On the negative side I think I no longer have breakdown cover - you can't call them out for the same fault repeated. With all the internet chat about injector failures I think i have grounds to go back to the dealers and ask for my earlier £300 back. I understand there are people reconditioning the teves ABS modules for a reduced cost, at £560 each plus vat for the part alone someone ought to think about doing service exchanges on these injectors.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - jfarhead

Make sure you report this to VOSA like everyone else.

Everyone with these injectors suddenly has to get extended breakdown cover (to drop it off to garage, because we all know it will NOT be fixed on the road), and warranty.

A service replacement makes no difference, the forums are littered with examples of the same injectors failing weeks and months from each other. My injector 3 failed at 16k and then at 56k. Why that one twice, why not the other 3 that have now done 60k?

VAG ought to think about replacing these for us because they provided them in the first place, BEFORE the fault happens. And not just for people who pay for the overpriced servicing, everyone who's purchased the brand vehicle thinking they can trust the company not to sweep issues under a rug.

Imagine Toyota saying "we won't replace the parts in your death-car because you're a private owner/ have not serviced it with us"..... excuse me? Why are we being so docile about this and accepting the charges? Why are you happy with 100% goodwill gesture AFTER you got stuck in the middle of nowhere, and STILL drive around with more potential failures?

I would still take this all the way even if they replaced my whole car. It's not about ME, I can muscle the car to the side and smash the brake down as I did before. Some mother with 2 kids in the back tired from a long day will NOT be able to do that, and swapping the injector AFTER she's left stranded at night with a smashed boot due to the accident does NOT make things fine.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Avant

"Hi to all, my 2008 A3 2.0tdi 170 DPF (common rail I think) has just had its second injector failure."

I didn't think this happened with the common-rail engine. 2008 was the year when VAG inrteoduced common-rail, so could your A3 be powered by the old pumpe duse engine?

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - jfarhead

VOSA are still investigating with the manufacturers, keep the filing the forms, keep the pressure on till we get a resolution!

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Roly93

"Hi to all, my 2008 A3 2.0tdi 170 DPF (common rail I think) has just had its second injector failure."

I didn't think this happened with the common-rail engine. 2008 was the year when VAG inrteoduced common-rail, so could your A3 be powered by the old pumpe duse engine?

I think this car is PD as the A3 range now lags the rest of the Audi range in technology slightly, ie new A4/A1/A5 etc

Edited by Roly93 on 07/05/2011 at 12:08

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - LJP

Hi to all, my 2008 A3 2.0tdi 170 DPF (common rail I think) has just had its second injector failure.

That was me then and I can't believe it now but a third injector failed today 10th May @ 109K miles, that's three so far this year. Audi are adamant that they wont replace the final fourth old injector because it hasnt failed yet but I think I am actually going to pay for it myself, I have had to make three dives for the hard shoulder now and if the fourth injector fails with the wife and kids in the car it does'nt bear thinking about.

By service exchange (and i dont know how serviceable these parts are) the dealer explained to me that the 'injector' contains a piezo injector, high pressure pump and electronic trigger module. If only one of these three is defective do you have to have the whole £560 module replaced each time ?

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - LJP

That was me then and I can't believe it now but a third injector failed today 10th May @ 109K miles, that's three so far this year.

July 2011 I contacted Audi U.K. by e-mail and have now received a generous offer to refund all of the garage bills relating to the injector changes. I think this is outstanding customer service from Audi and far better than I have previosuly received from M-B & BMW with past cars, think my mind's made up to go for an A6 Avant next.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - doogham

Do you know if bosch have a replacement for the siemens ones? my car(A4 2.0 tdi quattro 170) broke down in the middle of the m25 and is now at watford audi till further notice,They were trying to charge me just shy of £1200 just to change one, just aswell i told them i would make a decision on monday,it let me do my homework.Also just reported it to vosa!

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - mm707

e-mail from vosa .............

the reason the ECU shuts down is due to an oil sealin the plug of the Piezo actuator failing, this causes a short to earth.This short would then cause permanent stress to the DC converter so thesystem switches off to protect further damage to the ECU. The injectors have now been modified to prevent this occurring again.I hope that this brief explanation helps. The VW Group are now replacing all injectors on failed vehicles free of charge.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - VOSA
VOSA have now received enough information on the injector defects and do not require any more reports to be sent in us.
If you have suffered or think that you may experiance this fault in the future, you should contact the relevant customer support group for your vehicle type.

Volkswagen (Tel 0800 0833914)
Jenny Boyd
Stefan Elliott

Audi (Tel 0800 699888)
Victoria Carter
Isabelle
Lindley
Jane Jones

Seat (Tel 0500 222222) & Skoda (Tel 08457 745745)
Simon Ackroyd
Ian Walsh Osm
Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Roly93

Yes..

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - jfarhead

I have had a long conversation with Trading Standards and have got the below. Basically Audi have no leg to stand when discriminating between FASH and independent servicing, private or hire-purchase owners, they have to address the problem, their policies mean d*ck against the law. The problem is that we could write to them and cite the following (as TS said we should be doing), but they will most likely say it is not a fault (as expected) and it will end up having to go to court to get anything done… and considering the fact that replacing the injectors on your own would cost less than a succerssful court case, people will be put off. But why pay for the injectors on your own when they will just fail again later...

Relevant or Related Legislation:

Sale of Goods Act 1979. Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982. Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994. The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002.

• Wherever goods are bought they must "conform to contract". This means they must be as described, fit for purpose and of satisfactory quality (i.e. not inherently faulty at the time of sale).
(What is an inherent fault?
A fault present at the time of purchase. Examples are:
• an error in design so that a product is manufactured incorrectly
• an error in manufacturing where a faulty component was inserted.
The "fault" may not become apparent immediately but it was there at the time of sale and so the product was not of satisfactory standard.)


• It is the seller, not the manufacturer, who is responsible if goods do not conform to contract.
• For up to six years after purchase (five years from discovery in Scotland) purchasers can demand damages (which a court would equate to the cost of a repair or replacement).
• If repair and replacement are not possible or too costly, then the consumer can seek a partial refund, if they have had some benefit from the good, or a full refund if the fault/s have meant they have enjoyed no benefit
• In general, the onus is on all purchasers to prove the goods did not conform to contract (e.g. was inherently faulty) and should have reasonably lasted until this point in time (i.e. perishable goods do not last for six years).

I am already speaking to solicitors and will be pursuing this under the legal cover on my home insurance if they still won't budge...

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - jfarhead

Good news, VAG have agreed to replace failed injectors for free. They will only cover the part cost, and you should be able to push for all 4 to be replaced if you push with the dealers.

There is a further meeting happening sometime in the next weeks between VOSA and VAG to iron out the fact that replacing AFTER failure does not solve the safety issue, and whether money can be claimed back for all who had to pay to get this done in the first place.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - audipants

jfarhead,

How did you go about this?

Ive had 2 go down now and i am looking at taking legal action against Audi uk with regards duty of care.

Did you go str8 to an Audi dealer?

Regards

Steve

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - audipants

jfarhead,

How did you go about this?

Ive had 2 go down now and i am looking at taking legal action against Audi uk with regards duty of care.

Did you go str8 to an Audi dealer?

Regards

Steve

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - mm707

Just had a call from Audi uk.

They are refunding the costs for the failed injector last year and are going to fit another 3 new injectors free of charge

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - audipants

Audi have replaced my other 2 injectors

I paid for one in April

One failed in June but Warranty Direct Paid for that PHEW!!

Then the 3rd failed and i got it towed str8 to Audi who replaced the other 2 free of charge so i now have 4 new injectors

The car drives like new.

Big respect to Audi first class service

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - SWIFTMEDIC

Dear Mr Penning,

I am writing to you in your capacity as Road Safety Minister.

I am a GP based in Wiltshire and also Co-Chair and Trustee of a local charity, SWIFTMedics.

SWIFT Medics is a registered charity(1133797), whose volunteer doctors provide immediate medical care for emergencies across Wiltshire and the surrounding areas (we also cover Bath), involving both adults and children. Doctors respond to calls 24/7 to attend the scene of 'car accidents' or sudden severe serious medical conditions such as heart attacks, severe asthma or meningitis.

Please find part of a press release i am putting together.

Dr Adam Brownhill Co-Chair and Trustee of SWIFTMedics,a registered charity, nearly died on the M4 yesterday due to a well known fault with his Skoda Octavia diesel engine.

"We respond in out own cars which are very much like unmarked police cars, as a consequence we are fully police driver trained by Wiltshire Police Driver Training Unit" said Dr Brownhill. He continued " it was terrifying all of a sudden at 70mph my engine warning lights came on and i lost power steering and brakes in the outside lane of the M4, if it was not for my advanced police driver training and use of my rear blue lights to enable to warn other road users i am almost certain there would have been an accident as it was i was nearly hit as i coasted off the motorway."

"What is most upsetting is that Skoda are aware of this fault yet have done nothing to alert people, you only have to look at the forums to see how often this is happening."

ENDS

The fault is the fuel injectors which is an endemic problem with certain VAG engines.

All the injectors from the the 2.0 TDI PD engines that use piezoelectric Siemens injectors and Siemens ECU's are affected by this problem.

As far as i know Skoda used the piezoelectric system only on Octavia VRS 2.0 TDI (BMN) from the year 2006 to the introduction of the common rail 2.0 TDI engine (CEGA) in 2009

The most problems were on the Passat BKD 2.0 TDI 140HP engines. There are a lot of cases where the owners changed all of them before the cars reached 100.000 miles. If you Google the forums this has been going on for a long time.

The TOTAL LOSS OF THE ENGINE, POWER STEERING AND SERVO ASSISTED BRAKES in a 1500kg car at 70mph in lane three of the M4 presented a serious threat to my life and other road users as previously mentioned it was only due to my advanced police training and use of rear blue lights that prevented a muti vehicle accident on the M4.

I have been in contact with John Fitch at VOSA and submitted the necessary forms.

I am very concerned that this known safety issue represents a significant risk to road users. VOSA already have on record one accident due to this problem however reading the forums it is clear that many people do not know to contact VOSA . VAG as yet have decided NOT to recall cars affected.

I have been told Skoda are replacing the faulty parts on my car as a "gesture of goodwill" one would think that the sales of goods act applies here, my car has been serviced above and beyond that recommended by Skoda in-fact its last service was 300miles before this event.

One wonders how long till there is a serious accident due to this problem with certain VAG cars.

I am more than happy to contact my local elected representatives, however our charity works very closely with other Road Safety and accident prevention organisations (safe drive stay alive, bike safe), Police and Fire and Rescue Services, in speaking to them they suggested i contact your good self.

Kind regards,

Dr Adam Brownhill

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Avant

Adam - could you clarify whether your Octavia has the 140 or 170 bhp PD engine? It's clear that the problem is confined to engines with Siemens (as opposed to Bosch) injectors, but I had thought that only the 170 bhp engines were so fitted.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - jfarhead

Sorry didn't mean to ignore you, I lose track of where I post these days!

I originally wrote a letter to the Audi dealer I purchased the car from and cited the S.O.G. Act 1979, and as VAG have now admitted there is a fault, I told them I was claiming damages for the full repair cost, plus the interest I was charged on the credit card as it's not paid off yet!

The next day I got called by Audi UK and was told I (and everyone else) were getting full refunds on the repairs (cheque still not arrived, this was 2 weeks ago now).

It was not because of the letter, but because VAG agreed this with VOSA in a 2 point deal (for now). Point 1 says they will swap everyone's injectors, and point 2 says we get refunded for previous repairs.

Audi UK confirmed that the dealership got the letter and that the dealership asked them what to do. As I'm getting a refund, I told them I will not follow up the letter once I get the amount refunded.

So now I wait for the cheque.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Kristian Suvandjiev

Hello from Bulgaria I want to ask who to turn to help with switching piezo injectors to which institution I wrote to VW Bulgaria I spoke with them without effect. They took two nozzles and I just want to replace me and the other 2 but that does not want satisfy me that only when another blow nozzle then mozhe.Molya pomagaite see here only a maneuver with this problem and its solution

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - jfarhead

Sorry I don't know about Bulgaria. But I know Australia, and Ireland are in the same situation. Netherlands and Germany are working with the UK apparently.

Romania seems to have sorted something out according to this thread: http://vwforum.vwforum.ro/topic/52745-injectoare-pd-20tdi-distruse/page__st__1120

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - jfarhead

Ireland and Australia are in the same situation as you them.

The Netherlands, Germany and UK are woking together from what I heard.

And Romania seem to have something sorted:

http://vwforum.vwforum.ro/topic/52745-injectoare-pd-20tdi-distruse/page__st__1120

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - VOSA
VOSA have now received enough information on the injector defects and do not require any more reports to be sent in us.
If you have suffered or think that you may experiance this fault in the future, you should contact the relevant customer support group for your vehicle type.

Volkswagen (Tel 0800 0833914)
Jenny Boyd
Stefan Elliott

Audi (Tel 0800 699888)
Victoria Carter
Isabelle
Lindley
Jane Jones

Seat (Tel 0500 222222) & Skoda (Tel 08457 745745)
Simon Ackroyd
Ian Walsh Osm
Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - VOSA
VOSA have now received enough information on the injector defects and do not require any more reports to be sent in us.
If you have suffered or think that you may experiance this fault in the future, you should contact the relevant customer support group for your vehicle type.

Volkswagen (Tel 0800 0833914)
Jenny Boyd
Stefan Elliott

Audi (Tel 0800 699888)
Victoria Carter
Isabelle
Lindley
Jane Jones

Seat (Tel 0500 222222) & Skoda (Tel 08457 745745)
Simon Ackroyd
Ian Walsh Osm
Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Minnie12

Hi, Just wondering if there has been any more updates from vosa regarding this issue, I too am having problems with my skoda fabia as the injectors keep failing, Skoda have refunded the cost of the last failed injector but only after complaining. It would also appear that another one is on its way out but the main dealer have checked it and said there is nothing wrong with it. I have no confidence in the car now as the first time it failed we were doing 70mph on the motorway and we lost all power, very scary, even scarier to know its probably going to happen again as Skoda can not find any faults as to why its happening. I'm at a loss as to what to do now as next time one fails it could be much worse, I might not be able to move onto the hard shoulder in time to avoid an accident.

Thank you, lyn

Edited by Minnie12 on 21/10/2011 at 20:18

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - brum

Fabias have never had the 2.0 litre 170bhp diesel engine. The fault relates specifically to siemens manufactured piezo operated PD injectors. None of the fabias have these.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Minnie12

Ok, thanks, it just that my car seems to be having the exact same issues, Thanks

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - neon3008

It`s not just the 170 the 140 also has the siemens piezo injectors and i have exactly the same problem "short to earth"

my car is booked in to vw on wednesday i`ll let you all know how i get on.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - fuzzyflipper

Its only the VW Passat that uses the 140bhp with the Siemens piezo injection system no other cars used the Piezo injection system with 140bhp.

Other cars like the Audi A3, A4, A6, Seat Leon anx Exeo, Skoda Octvaia VRS and the VW Golf, Passat that used the 170bhp with Piezo.

I work in the motoring industry and have seen an alarming rate of injectors on common rail disel engines failing, but if you look closely most of these are fitted with cheap tuning boxes that increase common rail fuel pressure. We have seen injector pump failures and injector failures. My advice do not fit one of these devices that INCREASE COMMON RAIL FUEL PRESSURE.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - paulc924

How did you get on neon3008 ? Regards.

Edited by paulc924 on 19/11/2011 at 08:42

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - marius.tantareanu

I am from Romania and recently had the same failure. However Audi Romania refuses to confirm that it is the same issue and to refund the bill. Can anyone confirm whether Audi engine code BRD is affected by this problem? This would help me clarify the issue as I am thinking of starting legal actions against Audi Romania.

Many thanks,

Marius

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - sirionman

Steve Lee is right, instead of standing by a brand that sucks go and buy something else and VAG will soon get the message. The list of design cock-ups by VAG is seemingly endless and nobody seems to have a good word to say about after-sales care - it's one gripe after another.

VAGophiles stop being so myopic, and send a message by not buying their cars. Check the next twenty postings in HJ technical and a significant majority will be VAG related - there is a trend here.

Regards

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Avant

"Check the next twenty postings in HJ technical and a significant majority will be VAG related - there is a trend here." (You mean the last 20 I presume!)

Done. Isn't.

Peugeot 3, VAG 3, Ford 5, Vauxhall 3, Nissan 2, Hyundai, Honda, Mazda and Renault 1 each.

About what you'd expect given the numbers of each make on the road.


Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Ian Worsley

Well first of all thanks for the information guys. I was on my way up the M6 last weekend when my car cut out at 70MPH. My first reaction was the injector......again!! After i coughed up £1000 to get it fixed last time i was not going to do the same thing again. It's just about to get towed down the road but RAC confirmed it was the fuel injector. I called Seat Customer Care and advised them of the situation. I told them there is a known problem and other customers from Audi, VW and Seat seem to get all 4 swapped FOC. Explained that i had an issue with them before and he said he'd call the garage this afternoon after a diagnostic check and then let me know what he can do. Let's hope it's good news!! I'll keep you posted. Oh......and i will be trying to get the £1000 back i've already paid. Not happy they didn't mention this known issue last time.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Ian Worsley

Well the garage called me today and stated that since last November, there has been a re-call on the Injectors. Therefore they have replaced all injectors and the loom for no charge!! Result!! I just need to find out whether i'll be getting a refund from the one replaced last year.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Paullukedan

I was on holiday in France last month when one of the fuel injectors failed on my 1968cc turbo diesel 2007 plate Skoda Octavia VRS. The enormous cost of getting my family home and the car repatriated was made all the more painful by a massive repair bill from Skoda.

The dealership told me that these engines were the subject of a recall to have new injectors fitted but for some reason my car was not on the recall/customer care list. Does anyone know if this might be because on the PDI, carried out by my local Skoda Dealer, they clearly failed to record the VIN for this vehicle (as evidenced by the servicing receipt).

From reading this thread, it seems that my car is affected by this recall and I'm pretty disappointed that Skoda are happy to charge me a lot of money to get it fixed and carry on driving a car that they know to have 3 faulty injector units that may well fail the next time I am travelling at speed. Any advice on how to escalate this issue would be much appreciated.

Audi / VW/ Seat / Skoda - VAG 2.0 tdi injector information - Timmeh79

Had Octavia vRS injectors replaced by Skoda dealer in Jan/ Feb under workshop programme. Running like a dream until last night when @ 65mph engine power dropped off, car began shuddering and had to limp home; fortunatley only 6 miles.

Had local bloke diagnose it; 'open circuit on one of the injectors' he said. Car was running fine BEFORE workshop programme, but now encountered this mishap since fault mitigation was carried out. Dealer is >30miles away so roadside recovery wouldn't take me even if I had it, so coughing up £135 to have it shipped to dealers for their opinion, which I can recover from them if they acknowledge alledged fault.

Will have to see what they say 2moz...absolutely need a car where I live so really hope it's a minor thing to fettle. stress stress stress Looks like cycling the 10 miles to work on rural roads 2moz!

REALLY hope they fix a loose lead or something as I would hate to see another major VAG issue on the same thing...

:(

 

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