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Well, it's an open discussion forum & I'm just making a personal comment! Sorry if I have offended your sensibilities :-) I don't set myself up as an arbiter of fashion, but some cars look right, and some don't....and the Juke just looks, well, strangely proportioned and oddly shaped - all, of course IMHO. And I could be in a class of one.
Edited by Mike H on 27/03/2011 at 22:36
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I've seen several Jukes in the last few weeks, and I wouldn't say they are the ugliest thing on the road. My first reaction to them, which still applies, is that it looks like a smaller and slightly squashed Quashqai.
It's noticeable, and a bit dfifferent from the bland-box styling of many other "lifestyle" posing wagons, so I'll give it several points for originality
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This car has a 6 month waiting list at the moment,plenty of punters out there who are willing to part with their money.If no car maker dared to be different we will still be driving round in Model T Fords.
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Yes, OP - a ludicrous 'fashion' statement of a car. Mind you, if there are enough fashion victims around to buy them (..and indeed, create a waiting list..) good luck to Nissan for their cheek & bravado; in a way it's nice to see a manufacturer with a sense of humour - but the joke, I fear, is on the consumer. I wonder what the depreciation curve will look like in 3 years - anyone remember the equally hideous Suzuki X-90?
Edited by woodbines on 28/03/2011 at 10:40
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Bit harsh to compare it to the Suzuki X-90, which was basically a Barbie toy car made real.
I like it, and I like what Nissan are trying to do across the mainstream car sectors - ie make affordable, practical stylish cars which can cope with dreadful road surfaces and offer safer traction in poor weather conditions. The Quashqai has been a deserved smash hit, and Nissan are perhaps using that confidence and customer satisfaction to get momentum behind the Juke.
I suspect the demand for diesel versions is causing that waiting list. It's definitely the one to get - a useful 110hp in a modestly-sized car, with low emissions, good mpg, all wrapped up in a small car able to cope with our distintegrating roads.
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Yes SulphurMan - it was a bit harsh... but I commented before I'd had my 4th cup of coffee & 10th cigarette - which never helps!
I'm all for cars that cope with poor road surfaces (..in fact it's a particular bug-bear of mine, that most manufacturers seem to produce wheel/suspension design designed for smooth race tracks rathe than real roads..anyway) so maybe it's not all bad!
regards,
woodbines.
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Each to their own. I also think they look ridiculous, but then I think that of some other cars that are popular. I like the BMW X6, which many of my mates think is ugly. If you purchase a Juke, then I am sure you love it's "quirky" looks, and probably like myself with my own car don't give a stuff what others think.
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I bought a DIG-Turbo for the wife soon as they came out, we both like the looks and the performance of the turbo is certainly entertaining! There's no chance of losing it on the car park, unlike all those focus/golf/astra boxes.
In fact, I'm so impressed I'm about to chop in my 12 month old IX35 for a diesel vesion.
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The Nissan Juke looks like it's made up from discarded styling ideas from about 10 different concept cars. I'm afraid it gets a thumbs down from me. Has the nickname Nissan 'Joke' been coined yet? If not, it soon will be!
It looks even more bizarre than the Pontiac Aztec:
http://blog.carlist.my/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/01_PontiacAztek.jpg
Edited by Sofa Spud on 28/03/2011 at 16:19
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Actually I kinda like it.....except from the back.
The inside is comfy and roomy. Although I plumped for the Note in the end it was a close run thing. They are virtually the same vehicle just in a sharper suit. Most wil be 2wd.
I believe (like the Note) they are nailed together up in Geordieland so we should wish a British built car every successs imo. I'd rather have a Juke than a Leaf.....mutter...milk float......mutter...useless.......
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Same here looks good like a moon buggy.
Its different and why not takes a bit of courage not to be one of the crowd.
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Most Jukes breathe their first at Sunderland, but the pokey petrol one comes direct from Japan.
The general rule with all Nissan-sourcing is that if it has Nissan-Renault alliance parts (all the 4-cyl diesels) then it's Europe born. If it's a larger petrol and auto, it probably came from Japan or USA (Murano).
On the subject of the Note, we had one as a courtesy car recently whilst the X-trail was being serviced. Perfectly serviceable little MPV, but with a stonking sat-nav multimedia bluetooth system which costs just £400! Shame on you Audi!
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Mmmm, nice colour - not! Somehow the Aztec contrives to look bland despite it's odd shape.....for some reason it reminds me of a Lada Niva.
Edited by Mike H on 28/03/2011 at 19:15
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If they could sort the lights out at the front, the Juke might be a looker. As it is, it seems to be the accidental offspring of a Fiat Multipla and a Dutton amphibious car!
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QUOTE:...""I'd rather have a Juke than a Leaf.....mutter...milk float......mutter...useless.......""
I wouldn't call the Nissan Leaf useless but it strikes that the mainstream family hatchback market is probably not where the pure electric car has its brightest future. Battery electric propulsion seems best suited to small cars and vans for city use - like what the G-Giz was meant to be - except better!
However the Leaf does have the market sector to itself - it's the only family sized electric car available and is likely to remain so until VW launches the electric version of the Golf in a couple of years.
Edited by Sofa Spud on 28/03/2011 at 20:35
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i think the VW already exists.....in the shape of the Golf buggy (:
Agree with comments re fashion police..what qualifications do commentators have to decide whether attractive or ugly, other than a personal opinion?
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QUOTE:...""Agree with comments re fashion police..what qualifications do commentators have to decide whether attractive or ugly, other than a personal opinion?""
We can only express our personal opinions, but in the case of the Nissan Juke I think most peoples' personal opinions would be the same - that it's ugly!
If we're 'fashion police' for commenting on the appearance of a car, then equally we're 'performance police' for criticising cars for poor handling, high fuel consumption!
Or if we criticise a car for its technology, are we 'techno-police'?
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If the Leaf was £5000 cheaper, it would be near the top of my shortlist for next family car.
We're fortunate enough to live in a house with off-street parking in front of a garage, which has power, so the ownership and charging should prove painless. We rarely drive more than 80 miles a day, and if we had to, a local car/van rental business charges £35 a day for an Astra estate.
The thought of of not paying £1.31 a litre.........the convenience of not having to visit a petrol stations ever again.............starting every day with a 'full tank' which costs a couple of quid.......stares into space, goes all dreamy-eyed, starts humming......
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I'm sure it probably is cheaper than petrol (like most things) but just how much would it cost to charge an electric vehicle overnight?
If you left it plugged in several times a week, how much would your electricity bill go up by?
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Armstrong, at current typical electricity unit prices it costs £1.50 for a full 8hr charge. Although if the car was driven for 20miles one day, the recharge would be pennies....
£1.50 for 80-100 miles. Our petrol X-Trail does about 6 miles per litre (£1.32/litre round here)
As stated, unlike some I have no 'range anxiety' about the Leaf. From a practical viewpoint it suits our needs fine, even as a primary car. And after I sent the last post on this thread I remembered by brother-in-law has lovely old W124 Merc estate which he would let us borrow if a longer journey is a necessity. (Although we live in Farnborough Hampshire which as a good, fast rail service so that's always an option.)
Based on current unleaded pump prices, and annual VED, minusing the power-charging costs, the Leaf could save us approx £2300 per annum. The warranties on the vehicle expire after 6years. If we sold it at that point, it could be a potential saving of £13500. Of course, that doesnt take into account the big D - depreciation, nor inflation either. Also tyres, brake pads, fluids etc (servicing is a key question for me on the Live webcast tomorrow).
The only downer on the Leaf for me is the recent price increase.
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Sure a recharge is cheap. I wonder how much new batteries will cost when the original ones degrade,as all rechargebale batteries do, and only give the driver a percentage of the range they did when new? Think of your lithium ion laptop, which most folks charge on a daily basis.
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Sure the Leaf is cheaper to run than a thirsty XTrail. BUT how does it stack up against a Toyota Pious? Or a Honda Insight? Or even any smallish modern Turbo diesel? Pretty poorly I suspect. Plus you can pick up some nearly new Hybrids for a lot less than a Leaf. That's practicality sorted.
Next poseur value...whoaaaa ...the Leaf is off the scale!
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£30,990 - the price before the Govt. chips in, so let's just call it £30,990 (to level the playing field here)
All well & good quoting low nominal running costs, but as with renewable, you need a back-up car effectively - or just rely on public transport for longer journeys (which you can do with ordinary cars as well)
Battery life? from what I read, it's all um.. & err.. - no-one really knows when that expensive battery pack will pack up!
Range? Even if you don't always need the range of a conventionally fuelled car - you might, or you might be severely caught out in an emergency... or stuck or stranded when life intervenes & upsets your plans.
Price? For £30+K you can buy a similarly sized diesel/petrol for less than half the price - that must faftor into running costs as well.
As it is, it's a non-starter (no pun intended!) & would work only for a tiny percentage of the population as a viable alternative to conventional cars.
The only way to make this work imho:
- quick-swap battery fill-up centres all over the country
- price no more than 25% greater than conventional equivalent.
- double the range with simulated driving in cold, night conditions.
(I believe the current range estimates only contemplate you're driving in warm daylight!)
End of, in my view.
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The price on the Nissan UK website is £25990, including OTR. I'm aware of the govt incentive, but it might as well not exist because the advertised price is in big bold figures on nissan.co.uk/leaf.
As explained on my previous posting, we dont need a backup car. We're not doing 80 miles a day. On occasion that we do need to, and I'm talking once every couple of months here, my wife's brother has a barely used by well-maintained Merc estate, or we can hire a diesel Astra estate for £35/day all in - insurance, tax the lot.
Range has been independently tested in Japan at 80-100 miles per charge. Nissan claim 'upto 109 miles' but thats probably not achievable in UK conditions. Considering how many drivers register genuine grievances at their diesels not achieving anywhere near the manufacturers claimed mpg, lets give Nissan some leeway until the owner experiences are better known.
Battery's are warrantied for 5 years, with an 8-10year lifecycle. Cost of replacement - thats a question I'll put to Nissan. I suspect £1500-£2500 at today's prices. But in 10yrs time, it might be considerably less. I suspect demand will drive the prices down over time.
Stuck in an emergency - not sure what you mean. One can ring 999 if it's an actual emergency, or improvise by using family/friends/hotel accomodation/public transport. I dont think I've ever bought a car with the express requirement of it saving me from a pickle.
The £15K diesel/petrol point is the valid one, and the increase in the Leaf price has compounded it unfortunately. Perhaps it's most obvious rival in the economy stakes is the Golf Bluemotion, which is also zero VED. Specced up to the standard of the Leaf, although ticking everything on the VW website still doesnt match the Leaf, brings up a price fo £20350 through Drive The Deal - a big £5K difference. Yes, the Leaf running costs will eat into that difference over time, but even with the astronomical pump prices right now, that would take 2.5 years based on our current annual mileage. If the Leaf came back down to 23990 it would be more attractive.
A bigger spread of charging posts would be great of course, but our requirement means home-charging is all that's needed.
What car(s) are you currently running, woodbines. And how do you use them?
Edited by Sulphur Man on 31/03/2011 at 00:07
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