You're probably right, Dutchie. I would agree with you that it's carrying on like this because of the oil. If an earthquake took that away from them, they probably would not have anything to offer anyone.

Edited by richardbettabus on 26/03/2011 at 23:21

I can see the reasoning behind getting involved but it is proof that David Cameron has completely lost the plot. Cutting all of our services and kicking the elderly, disabled and uenemployed in the face in the name of "saving money" and now we're dropping £800,000 missiles on Libya? Gadaffi's an evil b****** yes, nobody is disputing that, but it was only a couple of months ago when Cameron's Government was selling arms to the Gadaffi regime, he wasnt an evil dictator two months ago was he? Oh no, more than happy to pocket that lovely communist blood money a couple of months ago, and now comes over all humanitarian that somebodies told him Libya are a vital oil producer, but dresses it up as a humanitarian mission.

These people have been in power for decades, why are we doing something about it now? We never felt the need to go into Zimbabwe against Mugabe did we? Why? because theres no resources there so people can die, we dont care. What about North Korea? The worst human rights record in the world, yet we dont invade them. Why? Well with their missiles and the presumed backing of the Chinese military.....they'd win, so the humanitarianism doesnt extend to them as we wont be able to win that one. People like Kim Jong are better left alone.

I dont see how Cameron can cut the military budget, sack RAF members by e-mail one week, and then throw them into someone elses war the next week. I dont see how he can spend five years as Tory leader criticisng Tony Blair for his invasion of Iraq, and less than a year in the job, Cameron's doing the same thing. You can dress it up with "but there is united support for this one" etc, the long and short is, we're using our military to fight somebody elses war again. Stripped down to nuts and bolts thats the main point. The only positive point is RAF Marham, near where i live, is heavily involved in this "project" and Cameron may now have to backtrack on his threat to close it. I have full support for our troops who are in action anywhere in the world, i want them to achieve their objective and for as many to come home as possible, they do a special job, the kind you dont call in sick to, but i dont agree with sending them there in the first place. Mainly out of the principle that we keep being told we cant afford anything, and then we go and do this. Where's the money coming from Mr Cameron? Oh yeah thats right, the public. The same public who's now funding Pakistani schools as you're cutting the budgets for ours.

Nuff said.

Edited by jamie745 on 07/04/2011 at 11:49

Dont vote for me, i might come down with Nick Clegg fever and do the compete opposite to everything i said LOL!!

Agree with almost everything Dutchie said.

I was only born in 1984 so i cant say ive lived it all and remember it etc but i have no problem in admitting i'm a Labour voter, and did so in the 2010 election. I am hugely opposed to the Coalition in all forms for several reasons that i could bang on about all month. For a start i remember in 2007 when Gordon Brown took over as PM, David Cameron in the house of commons told Brown to hand his resignation to the Queen, call a general election and attempt to become prime minister fairly. Then in 2010 David Cameron becomes Prime Minister without winning an election.

And they need to remember that. They DID NOT win the election. So it proves the Conservatives are not universally backed by the public. Almost 64% of voters DID NOT vote Conservative. So all that babbling from Cammy and Cleggy of "we will govern in the national interest together" is rubbish. Because the Tories interest is cutting services, cutting budgets and wrecking the NHS, and 64% of voters didnt vote for that. So its just the Tories finding any sly way to bully themselves in their and serve their own interests once again. The first slight opening and they're in, bullying their way through by any means neccessary.

All the Tories are doing is putting people out of work, cutting services, blaming Labour for everything, kicking the disabled, unemployed, elderly etc in the face to pay for rich bankers mistakes. Taking the £30 a week away from students for their bus fare, while bankers pay themselves £4billion, all in the name of "saving money." They try and kick people off benefits, when the Govt are the ones forcing people onto them through job cuts. Youth unemployment is horrific, but was making headway with Labours future jobs fund program, axed by the Tories, horrific move. In my local job centre i can tell you they have just over 5,000 people claiming job seekers allowance there across the area it serves, yet currently has 342 jobs on their vacancy lists. I dont have a maths degree but i can tell you that doesnt fit.

I wouldnt mind so much if they were at least consistent. The inconsistency is horrific. Two months ago the Chancellor said he expects the private sector to absorb job losses from the public sector, ignoring the obvious compatability problems for a second, he then announces a massive levy on north sea oil firms (some of our biggest private employers) without consultation, without warning, without even a whisper (which surely cannot be legal, what happened to counter arguments and consultations in democratic government?) and its not Shell and BP, they're untouched, its the ones who cant afford this tax who now have to pay for it via job losses. Inconsistency.

Cameron says we need to cut public spending, then increases foreign aid by 37% to £9.4billion. Why?

Cameron criticises Blair and Brown for the Iraq war then does the same with Libya barring some symantics.

Cameron says he'll protect the NHS, now comes out with new plans, not approved by the electorate, to open it up to private competition.

Cameron says we cant afford our libraries, then gives £650million to open pakistani schools. Cameron says Brown assuming office was wrong as he didnt win an election, then assumes office without winning an election.

I could go on all day, but on the subject of Libya, the major problem is there is no exit strategy. Why are we there? For the no fly zone to protect civilians, but what if that doesnt work? What if we're there for a month and theres no end in sight? The only way you'll protect civilians and bring Gadaffi down is if you go in on the ground and do it yourself. There seems to be no strategy for how long we stay and what we do. So yes it'll end up like Iraq. He's doing well, he's had major riots in London inside a year, it took Thatcher 11 years to instigate poll tax riots. He's gone into a war inside a year, Thatcher took three years to take us into war. And he's done all this despite not winning an election, which at least Thatcher had the grace to do. He's breaking new records everyday.

I think the mans lost the plot and he's 6 months from a padded cell.

Rant over. Sorry for wasting everybodies time.