Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Urban Nomad

Hi all, looking to replace under used Almera with more cost friendly city car. Both the Aygo and Panda have good reviews and apart from styling there's not much between them. The functional shape of the Panda appeals, but the Aygo's modern looks are great. My concern with the Aygo is the water leaks, does anyone know if this is sorted now? Suprisingly the Panda appears very reliable according to surveys, and James May apparently owns one, but which is the better choice?

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Dutchie
I still go for the Panda daughter got the 1.2 petrol Eco Model.Her car is nearly two years old now nice to drive reliable engine no water leaks anywhere and economical a town car but a drive on the motorway fine keeps up with the traffic.I find the car when I drive it easier to drive in town than our focus.Daughter managed ok in the snow small tyres.
Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - injection doc

we have two C1's ,ones 21/2 years old & the 2nd one is 4 months old now, Aygo with different badge ! they have been the best value for money cars we have ever bought, so cheap to run and fun to drive & then fuel economey has been fantastic. 57+ urban and best 72mpg on a run. Does what it says on the tin.

I too have heard of reports of water leaks but both of our's are 5 dr & sit out side all year & never had a problem with water leaks into the interior or anything else whatsoever.

No problem on a motorway and with the skinny tyres no problem in the snow.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - daveyjp

Our Aygo is four this week. It did suffer a minor water leak due to a faulty door seal, but all sorted very effiiciently by the local dealer - new seal, additional gutters around the top of the doors and they replaced the carpet. This was about 2.5 years ago and no sign of water ingress since.

Other than that it's been excellent - as injection doc says mpg is excellent. Ours does mainly schoolruns, but we still get 45 mpg, on a run 60+mpg without trying. It will do motorway speeds without any problem and 3rd gear is good for in excess of 80 mph - the three cylinder motor has been around years and well engineered - chain cam too so no belts to worry about.

Original Continental tyres were terrible - 13,000 miles from four after being swapped front to back at about 8,000 miles - without a swap the fronts wouldn't have done 10,000, less than every FWD car I've owned!

The Panda is slightly larger and probably has more boot space, but if all you need is a means of getting from A to B cheaply the Aygo fits the bill - a modern day 1960s Mini or 2CV.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - SteveLee
I'd pick the Panda as it's roomier and nicer to drive, be aware there's a new model soon.

As for tyre rotation - don't. Small light cars are lethal with worn rear tyres, they will aquaplane from the rear in a blink of an eye if you hit standing water. The rear tyres should have plenty of meat on them. My local tyre fitter was trying to convince me to swap the tyres round on my girlfriend's C3 last week, I explained why it's a bad idea - he still rattled out the same old tired (tyred?) driven-wheels nonsense.
Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Dutchie
I agree Steve I don't rotate tyres never have done if tyres are worn replace them.Driving with worn rear tyres is dangerous.
Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Urban Nomad

I finally got around to test driving an Aygo ( Blue ). Impressive little car as the ride was much more mature than I was expecting, while the steering was direct and ideally weighted for city traffic. The plus points were the styling inside & out and the characterful rorty engine. The hinged rear windows added to a slighly claustrophobic feel, but then again the majority of the time it would be used by only 1 person. I was told by the dealer that they havent had any cars returned due to leak problems, and if that was the case they would guarantee to fix it.

So I left unsure, as I loved driving the Aygo, makes so much sense as a second car even though the boot space is rather limited it can still carry 4 adults in relative comfort. The used ones on the forecourt had some very high prices, so I figured that must reflect the quality & reliability of the Aygo.

Checked out the Panda about an hour later. First impression on slamming shut the tailgate was how solid it sounded, real heavy clunk! Inside the high set seats gave a nice semi SUV feel and generally felt more airy than the Aygo, the large glass area helping also. The dash mounted gear lever and simple controls are refreshing, and the wind down rear windows preferable to the Aygo's pop out ones. On reading posts on the Fiat Forum I've noticed that the Panda suffers frequent power steering failure, which is a concern as I had a Punto a few years back & the same thing happened with that. I know a new Panda is due this year, so perhaps keen deals on the current model might be enough to sway it, I'll hang on and see. I think the Aygo would be the more reliable buy, whilst the Panda the more practical, either way they're both cracking cars.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - carl_a

Checked out the Panda about an hour later. First impression on slamming shut the tailgate was how solid it sounded, real heavy clunk!

Car companies know you're going to do this, thats why they engineer doors that way, doesn't say anything about quality. Daihatsu doors used to sound very tinny yet the products were far better than most on the market and did much better MPG partly due to the lightnesss of the car.

The Hyundai i10 is a more modern car than either the Aygo Panda and is better in many peoples eyes. For the value for money the Mitsubishi Colt takes some beating but is larger inside and out.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - bear807
Reliability of aygo is not bad if price is too high look at some alternative c1,106,pixo, new alto basically all is the same car but with different design, they share most of the things. If I were to choose I will buy the panda much cheaper and you get a newer car compare to what you pay for an aygo. Best choice probably is the Multijet diesel ver. For me panda is more practical and the diesel could be much economical
Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - P3t3r

Don't get an Aygo, look at the C1 and 107 instead. The Aygo suffers more from water leaks than the French ones, and that is pretty much the only difference between them. Under the bonnet they are identical. The Aygo also tends to cost more.

I used to have a Panda 100HP, and now have a C1. The C1 is very economical, and I think it would beat the current 1.2 Panda (mine was a 1.4) on fuel consumption.

The Panda has much more space in the boot. My C1 has a few rattles, and my Panda didn't. I think the interior of the Panda is a slightly higher quality but although the C1 looks a bit cheaper, it does feel more robust in some ways.

The C1 also has very poor rear visibility IMO.

I prefer the C1 to the Panda, but that's just me, others may prefer the Panda. The servicing costs were also a factor for me. The C1 is a chain cam engine so it won't need the belt replacing. All of the other service items are simple too, which will be great when I do my own servicing. You can get some nicer features in the Panda, like electric door mirrors, height adjustable drivers seat, a 5th seat belt, but these weren't show stoppers for me.

Are you looking for a new one or second hand? The early C1/107/Aygo's had issues with the clutch wearing very quickly. The more recent ones have a clutch from a Yaris so shouldn't be as bad, but I'm not sure which year this was. If you're going for an older one then a Panda may be a safer choice. If you're getting a new one then they should both be reliable (unless you get an Aygo which can leak).

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - SteveLee

Both fantastic cars but the Panda is a tad more practical and would therefore be my choice.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Urban Nomad

Thanks all for your helpful suggestions. I took the plunge and 3 weeks ago bought a low mileage 2010 Aygo Blue. The car itself is great, good on fuel and ideal for local runs, making the main car ( Qashqai ) a bit redundant!

So far I've not noticed any leaks, and really enjoy the impressive interior space for such a small car. The only real negative has been the utterly poor dealer service. I'm left feeling the staff really dont care about their customers, so once I've received my 2nd set of car keys ( only told they could not locate them, once the payment had been debited from my account! ) the Aygo will be serviced elsewhere.

I've had a high level of service from Nissan, so that's where I'll take it. Good car then, but initial impressions count for a lot, and for that reason this is most probably my first & last Toyota.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - mlj

Enjoy your car.

I would perhaps drop an email Toyota's way - (customer service). This sounds unusual for Toyota.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Urban Nomad

Thanks mlj, I've just sent an e-mail, as i'm fed up with promised returned calls that never happen etc. I thought being a Japanese brand the service would have been as good as what I've experienced with Nissan.

Cannot fault the car, it actually does much more than it's looks suggest, and I love the back to basics minimalist theme, which is refreshing & weirdly calming! If no joy after this e-mail it may be a case of naming and shaming, hint they are based in east London / Essex.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - bintang

For those who are thinking of getting a Panda, my half-day test drive showed it to be remarkably well built and very handy around town. On the open road, it was too bouncy and the motion was very fussy. It rolled too much on corners and the driver's seat was narrow enough to cut into my right thigh. I will wait to try the new version.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Avant

Look on Toyota's website and see if you can find another Toyota dealer near you. Toyota dealers normally score highly in customer surveys, so your local one is unusual. People often buy Aygos instead of the C1 or 107 (same car built in the same factory so one model won't leak more than another!) because generally they get better service than they would from a Citroen or Peugeot dealer.

You may have a good Citroen or Peugeot dealer near you, and they would be able to service the Aygo. Look for a family-owned business rather than a branch of a national chain.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Auristocrat

It is worth trying another Toyota dealer. When I bought a new Corolla in 2006, and my current Auris new in 2009, I found the sales experience at the Birmingham dealership very disappointing - in 2009 the salesperson failed to follow up the test drive the following week as promised, and left it three weeks before contacting me. Instead I used the Inchcape dealership at Burton-on-Trent for both of the purchases and subsequent servicing. The difference between the two was like chalk and cheese. The forty mile round trip is well worth it for me.

Edited by Auristocrat on 17/09/2011 at 23:30

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Bobbin Threadbare

I'll echo that. My mum has an Aygo and she loves it. She uses Johnsons Toyota on Wirral, and they've been great.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - madf

I can recommend Pinkstones Toyota Stoke on Trent. Excellent service.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Avant

Ditto Octagon Toyota in Bracknell, from where my daughter has had four consecutive Yarises.

Unfortunately the OP, Urban Nomad, appears to be in metropolitan Essex. Even nomads have their limits....

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Urban Nomad

Thanks again all for your replies. This has got to be one of the best sites for car enthusiasts, as the replies are honest & respectful, thank you. I'm based in East London, spoke to the assistant manager over the phone who assured me ( pinch of salt ) that she would send an e-mail to my salesman, as he was not at work.

She said the key was on order ( hope I'm not being fobbed off, sorry couldn't resist it! ) and that she would request my salesman to mark it as a priority order.

The plus side is that I'm enjoying the little Aygo, any excuse to buzz around town and hear that rorty exhaust note. The interior space amazes every time I step inside, I'm 6ft and have more than enough leg / headroom. The most impressive feature IMO is the ride quality, it really is grown up. It verges on supple around town, and there's no pitching or diving when braking, obviously a lot of development time was spent here.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - corax

The plus side is that I'm enjoying the little Aygo, any excuse to buzz around town and hear that rorty exhaust note. The interior space amazes every time I step inside, I'm 6ft and have more than enough leg / headroom. The most impressive feature IMO is the ride quality, it really is grown up. It verges on supple around town, and there's no pitching or diving when braking, obviously a lot of development time was spent here.

It's funny, you read the reviews on them, and the journalists rate them as OK. But there must be plenty of people that think they're great, because I see them everywhere these days. Either that or the owners all have degrees in budget motoring.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Avant

The magazine reviews rate the Aygo/C1/107 as only average because their greatest strength isn't being hurled a full pelt along twisty B-roads. Have a look at Car Reviews on this site, where HJ, who judges cars on how good they are at what they're designed to do, gives it four stars and mostly favourable comments. This tallies with the customer satisfaction surveys where it does well.

Edited by Avant on 25/09/2011 at 22:37

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Urban Nomad

I think a lot of people buy them as an inexpensive & reliable runabout or 2nd car. Then they realise how much sense they make. The simple ergonomics, engine rumble and exhaust note all add to the fun factor. You really do feel like you're going a lot faster than you actually are, I think of my Aygo as a 4 seater weather proof moped!

It's one of those cars that until you drive it, you don't realise how good it is.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Bobbin Threadbare

Plus, they turn on a pin so parking is a doddle. The seats aren't bad either, comfort-wise. I've had my mum's Aygo up to some fair lick on the motorway, nipping at the heels of the big BMWs and so on. Immense fun!

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Urban Nomad

Totally agree Bobbin, I'm by no means a boy racer, but because the Aygo is so energetic, especially when pulling away from standstill, I've left many bigger cars way behind! Also the engine / gearing is so flexible it's quite similar to a diesel in a way. You can pull away in 4th at lowish speeds, no problem.

My Qashqai provides better comfort & more usability, but for driving fun the Aygo wins outright!

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - jamie745

If the Aygo is that good its surprising you dont see more of them, i still cant remember seeing one. Maybe everyone flocks to the Fiesta instead.

Qashqai!?!? That car got some abuse here recently due to the intrusive ads this site used to have for them, it is known on HJ as the Nissan Cashcow. Just thought you should know.

:)

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Auristocrat

The Ford alternative to the Aygo/107/C1 would be the Ka rather than the Fiesta - which is a supermini-sized car rather than a city car, and more expensive.

Most people considering the Aygo would also be looking at the Panda, Picanto, Aguila, Alto, Splash, i10, etc. In and around the Birmingham conurbation, we see quite a few Aygo's, 107's, i10's and Picanto's. Conversely we see very few Ka's and Pandas (although no Fiat dealers in Birmingham).

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - jamie745

True, i suppose i find having both the Ka and the Fiesta in the range as a bit pointless. I wonder if Ford originally toyed with the Ka replacing the Fiesta back when it first appeared in the 90s, as the Fiesta at the time was the same size. Maybe they got scared and made all their other cars bigger and up a class to accomodate it.

Im not that up on particularly small City cars as you may have guessed!

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Auristocrat

The original Ka was based on the floorpan of the Mk IV Fiesta but was about eight inches shorter - built on the same production line in Spain for the European market. The current Ka for the European market is based on the Fiat 500 (itself based on the Panda), and is built by Fiat in Poland using Fiat engines, etc. Same length as the Mk 1 Ka, and about twelve inches shorter than the current Fiesta.

Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda - Aygo or Panda? - Urban Nomad

At Last! received call on Wednesday from dealer saying that the key had arrived and that it would take about half an hour to put code in. Took Aygo in yesterday and after a lot of hanging about, 1hr 10 minutes to be precise, I was given spare key. It's just a standard key, not remote, not sure if this is usually the case, but just relieved to have a key, and say goodbye Toyota. Have experienced great customer service from Glyn Hopkin Leyton, and they are more than happy to carry out future servicing on the Aygo.

After a 5 week wait, I can really start enjoying the Aygo fully, thanks again for all your advice.