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Don't get an Aygo, look at the C1 and 107 instead. The Aygo suffers more from water leaks than the French ones, and that is pretty much the only difference between them. Under the bonnet they are identical. The Aygo also tends to cost more.
I used to have a Panda 100HP, and now have a C1. The C1 is very economical, and I think it would beat the current 1.2 Panda (mine was a 1.4) on fuel consumption.
The Panda has much more space in the boot. My C1 has a few rattles, and my Panda didn't. I think the interior of the Panda is a slightly higher quality but although the C1 looks a bit cheaper, it does feel more robust in some ways.
The C1 also has very poor rear visibility IMO.
I prefer the C1 to the Panda, but that's just me, others may prefer the Panda. The servicing costs were also a factor for me. The C1 is a chain cam engine so it won't need the belt replacing. All of the other service items are simple too, which will be great when I do my own servicing. You can get some nicer features in the Panda, like electric door mirrors, height adjustable drivers seat, a 5th seat belt, but these weren't show stoppers for me.
Are you looking for a new one or second hand? The early C1/107/Aygo's had issues with the clutch wearing very quickly. The more recent ones have a clutch from a Yaris so shouldn't be as bad, but I'm not sure which year this was. If you're going for an older one then a Panda may be a safer choice. If you're getting a new one then they should both be reliable (unless you get an Aygo which can leak).
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Both fantastic cars but the Panda is a tad more practical and would therefore be my choice.
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Thanks all for your helpful suggestions. I took the plunge and 3 weeks ago bought a low mileage 2010 Aygo Blue. The car itself is great, good on fuel and ideal for local runs, making the main car ( Qashqai ) a bit redundant!
So far I've not noticed any leaks, and really enjoy the impressive interior space for such a small car. The only real negative has been the utterly poor dealer service. I'm left feeling the staff really dont care about their customers, so once I've received my 2nd set of car keys ( only told they could not locate them, once the payment had been debited from my account! ) the Aygo will be serviced elsewhere.
I've had a high level of service from Nissan, so that's where I'll take it. Good car then, but initial impressions count for a lot, and for that reason this is most probably my first & last Toyota.
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Enjoy your car.
I would perhaps drop an email Toyota's way - (customer service). This sounds unusual for Toyota.
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Thanks mlj, I've just sent an e-mail, as i'm fed up with promised returned calls that never happen etc. I thought being a Japanese brand the service would have been as good as what I've experienced with Nissan.
Cannot fault the car, it actually does much more than it's looks suggest, and I love the back to basics minimalist theme, which is refreshing & weirdly calming! If no joy after this e-mail it may be a case of naming and shaming, hint they are based in east London / Essex.
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For those who are thinking of getting a Panda, my half-day test drive showed it to be remarkably well built and very handy around town. On the open road, it was too bouncy and the motion was very fussy. It rolled too much on corners and the driver's seat was narrow enough to cut into my right thigh. I will wait to try the new version.
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Look on Toyota's website and see if you can find another Toyota dealer near you. Toyota dealers normally score highly in customer surveys, so your local one is unusual. People often buy Aygos instead of the C1 or 107 (same car built in the same factory so one model won't leak more than another!) because generally they get better service than they would from a Citroen or Peugeot dealer.
You may have a good Citroen or Peugeot dealer near you, and they would be able to service the Aygo. Look for a family-owned business rather than a branch of a national chain.
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It is worth trying another Toyota dealer. When I bought a new Corolla in 2006, and my current Auris new in 2009, I found the sales experience at the Birmingham dealership very disappointing - in 2009 the salesperson failed to follow up the test drive the following week as promised, and left it three weeks before contacting me. Instead I used the Inchcape dealership at Burton-on-Trent for both of the purchases and subsequent servicing. The difference between the two was like chalk and cheese. The forty mile round trip is well worth it for me.
Edited by Auristocrat on 17/09/2011 at 23:30
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I'll echo that. My mum has an Aygo and she loves it. She uses Johnsons Toyota on Wirral, and they've been great.
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I can recommend Pinkstones Toyota Stoke on Trent. Excellent service.
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Ditto Octagon Toyota in Bracknell, from where my daughter has had four consecutive Yarises.
Unfortunately the OP, Urban Nomad, appears to be in metropolitan Essex. Even nomads have their limits....
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Thanks again all for your replies. This has got to be one of the best sites for car enthusiasts, as the replies are honest & respectful, thank you. I'm based in East London, spoke to the assistant manager over the phone who assured me ( pinch of salt ) that she would send an e-mail to my salesman, as he was not at work.
She said the key was on order ( hope I'm not being fobbed off, sorry couldn't resist it! ) and that she would request my salesman to mark it as a priority order.
The plus side is that I'm enjoying the little Aygo, any excuse to buzz around town and hear that rorty exhaust note. The interior space amazes every time I step inside, I'm 6ft and have more than enough leg / headroom. The most impressive feature IMO is the ride quality, it really is grown up. It verges on supple around town, and there's no pitching or diving when braking, obviously a lot of development time was spent here.
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The plus side is that I'm enjoying the little Aygo, any excuse to buzz around town and hear that rorty exhaust note. The interior space amazes every time I step inside, I'm 6ft and have more than enough leg / headroom. The most impressive feature IMO is the ride quality, it really is grown up. It verges on supple around town, and there's no pitching or diving when braking, obviously a lot of development time was spent here.
It's funny, you read the reviews on them, and the journalists rate them as OK. But there must be plenty of people that think they're great, because I see them everywhere these days. Either that or the owners all have degrees in budget motoring.
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The magazine reviews rate the Aygo/C1/107 as only average because their greatest strength isn't being hurled a full pelt along twisty B-roads. Have a look at Car Reviews on this site, where HJ, who judges cars on how good they are at what they're designed to do, gives it four stars and mostly favourable comments. This tallies with the customer satisfaction surveys where it does well.
Edited by Avant on 25/09/2011 at 22:37
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I think a lot of people buy them as an inexpensive & reliable runabout or 2nd car. Then they realise how much sense they make. The simple ergonomics, engine rumble and exhaust note all add to the fun factor. You really do feel like you're going a lot faster than you actually are, I think of my Aygo as a 4 seater weather proof moped!
It's one of those cars that until you drive it, you don't realise how good it is.
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Plus, they turn on a pin so parking is a doddle. The seats aren't bad either, comfort-wise. I've had my mum's Aygo up to some fair lick on the motorway, nipping at the heels of the big BMWs and so on. Immense fun!
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Totally agree Bobbin, I'm by no means a boy racer, but because the Aygo is so energetic, especially when pulling away from standstill, I've left many bigger cars way behind! Also the engine / gearing is so flexible it's quite similar to a diesel in a way. You can pull away in 4th at lowish speeds, no problem.
My Qashqai provides better comfort & more usability, but for driving fun the Aygo wins outright!
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If the Aygo is that good its surprising you dont see more of them, i still cant remember seeing one. Maybe everyone flocks to the Fiesta instead.
Qashqai!?!? That car got some abuse here recently due to the intrusive ads this site used to have for them, it is known on HJ as the Nissan Cashcow. Just thought you should know.
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The Ford alternative to the Aygo/107/C1 would be the Ka rather than the Fiesta - which is a supermini-sized car rather than a city car, and more expensive.
Most people considering the Aygo would also be looking at the Panda, Picanto, Aguila, Alto, Splash, i10, etc. In and around the Birmingham conurbation, we see quite a few Aygo's, 107's, i10's and Picanto's. Conversely we see very few Ka's and Pandas (although no Fiat dealers in Birmingham).
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True, i suppose i find having both the Ka and the Fiesta in the range as a bit pointless. I wonder if Ford originally toyed with the Ka replacing the Fiesta back when it first appeared in the 90s, as the Fiesta at the time was the same size. Maybe they got scared and made all their other cars bigger and up a class to accomodate it.
Im not that up on particularly small City cars as you may have guessed!
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The original Ka was based on the floorpan of the Mk IV Fiesta but was about eight inches shorter - built on the same production line in Spain for the European market. The current Ka for the European market is based on the Fiat 500 (itself based on the Panda), and is built by Fiat in Poland using Fiat engines, etc. Same length as the Mk 1 Ka, and about twelve inches shorter than the current Fiesta.
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At Last! received call on Wednesday from dealer saying that the key had arrived and that it would take about half an hour to put code in. Took Aygo in yesterday and after a lot of hanging about, 1hr 10 minutes to be precise, I was given spare key. It's just a standard key, not remote, not sure if this is usually the case, but just relieved to have a key, and say goodbye Toyota. Have experienced great customer service from Glyn Hopkin Leyton, and they are more than happy to carry out future servicing on the Aygo.
After a 5 week wait, I can really start enjoying the Aygo fully, thanks again for all your advice.
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