Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - fredthefifth

I'm thinking here of front facing lights. Anyone else here feel that the majority of usage is in complete ignorance of the law and consideration for other drivers?

For example in the recent foggy weather the visibility here was 100 yards or so. The roads in town are all 30 mph, but the reality in the evening rush hour is more like 5 mph, yet there were people driving with front 'fog' lights on. Surely completely unnecessary in such conditions, and even then I doubt that the majority of front facing lights fitted make any difference in fog. Then of course there are those that think they look good and have them on in any weather!

Just my views but interesting to know whether the esteemed community here agree or not?

Cheers,

FTF

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - bathtub tom

I've a theory that many drivers haven't a clue what all those switches on the dashboard are for. They think it's their heated rear window!

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Berisford

I'll agree with that BTT, but I can't help be amazed at how many can find the rear fog light switch.

As for the OP and motors running around town with fronts on, it's wrong but I'm not irritated by it as much as the incorrect use of rears or even worse, those damn bright HID headlamps, no-one needs lights that bright for road use.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Talking Hoarse

I am not convinced of the use of front fog lights. I find decent headlights, adjusted properly, ideally with xenon bulbs, do very well in fog as they (should) have a "sharp" cut off in their pattern. Personally, with decent headlamps I find driving with fog lights distracting.

Driving lamps, however, are a different matter altogether as they are like an additional main beam, and can be pointed up /down /to sides to greatly enhance vision. Even better - are dippable driving lamps that can act in conjunction with both dipped & main beam - not sure if they are obtainable these days?

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - fredthefifth

One of my main bug bears is being in a low speed queue of traffic, in town with near perfect visibilty with a four lights burning a hole in the back of my head.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Doc

One of my main bug bears is being in a low speed queue of traffic, in town with near perfect visibilty with a four lights burning a hole in the back of my head.

I agree. I always turn my dipped headlights off when in queues in towns.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - P3t3r

I've owned a car with front fogs for almost two years and only had one occassion where I used them.

They seem to cover a very short distance, so unless you're going very slow then there is no benefit. The time I used them recently I was doing no more than 20mph. The benefit was minimal though, it made it slightly easier to see, but I could have managed without them.

I think the other problem is that car manufacturers list them in the 'styling' section. Surely they should be in something like the 'functional' section?

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - buzbee
I was of the 'fogs are probably useless opinion' the other day when I went to have a look at the new Micra that has them.

However, having since found out that changing a headlamp bulb (on a 2003 Micra) is not something you can do at the side of a road in a few minutes, I now wonder if the fogs would enable one to drive home more safely when a headlamp bulb fails, in as much as they would show the car width.
Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - bintang

I found them useful when I had them if, as often, the foot or so above the ground was clear of fog, so the low-placed lights could shine ahead underneath it.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - ForumNeedsModerating

Tend to agree that they're of virutally no use in town (where one assumes street lighting and/or other ambinet sources) & just annoy & mark out the perp as a numpty.

In rural conditions though, especially along single track 'farm' roads with soft & treacherous verges, front fogs become more like driving lights. I often use them on dark wet nights to locate craterous potholes & 'road' that suddenly becomes a crumbling soft verge & water filled ditch. I've never understood their use a fog lights (except the rear of course), since they only light about 6-7 metres in front - if that - and don't in any way pierce porper fog/mist. In fact they're more likely to set up a self-dazzle from the reflected light.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Cymrogwyllt

living in an area where fog is all but unknown foglights seem to be used by the 'lookatmechav' lot to advertise their presence. Most of them seem to be set to 'blind him/her' rather than 'where am | going' .

On the occasions where I've been in genuine fog I've found them more of a hinderance than a help

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Bilboman

Front fogs are 1% useful, 99% show. If fitted at headlight height (Mercedes and some VWs up to the 1990s) they could be used instead of dipped beam and threw a flat wide beam which didn't dazzle. As modern headlamp beams are more sharply focused, FFLs are not so useful and I find hte low-slung versions nearly all cars have to be utterly useless, throwing a beam that is too short to be of any use.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - wrangler_rover

"I now wonder if the fogs would enable one to drive home more safely when a headlamp bulb fails, in as much as they would show the car width."

Don't even think about it. In 1998, returning home late at night from an airport following a business trip, my front nearside headlight bulb blew. I put my front foglights on to give me more light as I had to drop a colleague off in a remote village reached by several miles ot unlit B roads. On my way through town a few miles from home at 1 in the morning, I was stopped by a police car.

Why have you got your fog lights on, it's illegal to use them when it isn't foggy? As you can see, my nearside headlight bulb has blown, I've had to drop a colleague off at x village driving along unlit roads with a headlight out, I thought using my foglights would be preferable to running off the road. I will repeat, it is illegal to use fog lights when it isn't foggy, no extenuating circumstances, the law is the law, no excuses, I was then issued with a rectification notice for the headlight bulb and a Caution for illegal use of foglights.

In my opinion, totally heavy handed and over the top, I guess I was a softer target than separating fighting drunks. A don't do it again would have done more good, all the incident succeeded in was making me, a citizen with no criminal record, resentful of the police and in future, if they ever need my help in any way, as long as my family aren't victims of crime, it's a case of Manuel "I know nothing."

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - davecooper
It's interesting to note how many Supercars are now fitted with low level front fog lights. Not many. Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Merc (SLS) all seem to have done away with these now.
Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Armstrong Sid
I'd guess that's mainly because Supercars are usually closer to the ground than normal cars, so there's a greater chance that low-level front fog lights are going to get scraped and smashed at the slightest bump (or speed hump). The manufacturers have probably realised that even rich owners get tired of paying for repairs eventually

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - davmal

So if you had information about crimes against some one elses family you wouldn't help?

You got a caution, it's not like you were banged up for ten years, and was it actually a caution, or just a ticking off?

And you think that they were heavy handed.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - wrangler_rover

It was an actual caution.

I knew I was in the wrong but when I explained why I drove with my fog lights on, all I got in reply was the law is the law, no exceptions. I guess in the grand scale of things, it's not that heavy handed but I was made to feel like a criminal when in my opinion, it could have been dealt with in a more casual way which would have left me feeling less resentful. For example, I sat in the back of the police car during the incident, when it was time to leave, I couldn't open the door, I remarked that the child locks were on to which I got the reply they're prisoner locks.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - howmuchlonga!
You are asking for a tug in my book, it should be 3 points and £60 for improper use and an eye test!

I hate them, everyday I see the same morons with them on and now we get the ones who have a blown bulb & can't be a***d to go out & buy a new one, OH....but they think it's OK? to have their fog lights on instead, go buy & carry a spare bulb kit. MOT..? Tax...? Insurance.....probably not?

How many times have you been behind someone & they have their rears on, but you can clearly see vehicles 200m ahead..eh! If these people cant see well enough without them on, should these myopic muppets even be behind the wheel.

They don't careless if I affects your night vision.

They are fog lights! NOT mist, NOT rain and NOT it's getting slightly dark lights!
Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - carr

Agreed about the inappropriate use of rear fogs.

However you will read elsewhere on this forum that carrying spare bulbs is sometimes pointless because they are a garage job to replace. For example the Renault Modus needs the bumper removing as part of the process. I think there are enough light bulb changing jokes now without motor manufacturers making up new ones.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - davmal

it could have been dealt with in a more casual way

Just what we need, the police being even more casual.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - s.v.u.

Don't even think about it. In 1998, returning home late at night from an airport following a business trip, .

Spoken like a true idiot.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - John F

Hugely annoying...and potentially dangerous to the older driver whose presbyopic vision is worse than younger folk.

The glare causes contrast to be lost, so all you see are the bright lights. Dimly lit hazards elsewhere are no longer seen. It's like when in a theatre the lights are occasionally shone from the stage onto the audience so you don't see what's happening, e.g. for scenery changes.

However, one can't expect youngsters with no brains to understand this....

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Smileyman

Well, if I want to use my rear fog lamp (sadly one one - I detest that) then I must use the front fog lamps. No option, it's the way the car was made.

I cannot identify a good use for the front lamps, I consider they are for show only and a waste of money - if they were not standard spec I would not pay out for them as an extra. But I would pay extra for twin rear fogs - and twin rear reversing lamps.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - inferno cup
I agree that improper use is annoying, however, no-one has pointed out that a car travelling in the opposite direction in the fog is significantly more visible with front fog lights on. The only reason I use mine is to be seen on the fog.
Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

I agree that improper use is annoying, however, no-one has pointed out that a car travelling in the opposite direction in the fog is significantly more visible with front fog lights on. The only reason I use mine is to be seen on the fog.

Had all my front lights on in fog/snow last winter. Still got my mirror whacked by an oncoming vehicle.

I still use my foglights as ditchfinders on dark twisty roads in foul weather. I switch them off when on main roads. Never found them to be much use in actual fog.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Bilboman

IMHO front foglights should be set in the main headlight unit where they could be used in place of dipped beam in case of genuine less-than-100m-visibility fog. This positioning was common on Mercedes until recently, and Volvo (940/960) VW (Passat) and Fiat (Stilo) followed the trend for a while. A simple either/or setting on the main light switch would prevent simulaneous use of dipped beams and front foglights, (except for emergency vehicles!) Sorted.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - carl_a

I believe its been said on here before, if someone uses fog lights the car should be limited to 30mph. In 11 years of driving I can only think of a single time that front fogs would have been useful. Rears several times a year but then always turn them off in traffic.

Same goes fo those people that keep their foot on the brake in queuing/stopped traffic. I realise that some cars make it difficult to use the handbrake nowadays but still. Perhaps the brake peddle should shake if a car is stopped for more than 10 + seconds.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Halmer

I've had them on my car for three years and can't see the point of them tbh so have never realy used them.

Maybe it just doesn't get foggy enough where I drive :)

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - woodster

Glakit's one of the few people to appreciate the use of fogs is to be seen, rather than to see. I've never understood why manufacterers aren't forced to have both front and rear operating at the same time. After all, if conditions justify their use, as per the highway code, then both sets must be needed. I've yet to see fog that only exists in front of my car but not behind... The old arguments will continue about front fogs aiding visibility. I've never understood that one as they only illuminate the verges immediately to the side of the car and I'm not looking there when I drive. I was always taught that fog lights are a high intensity light without a directional beam. An analogy might be that if I stand one one side of a field in the dark and light a flare, you'll see it from the other side of the field, but I wouldn't see you.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - davmal

If front fogs are so useful, why are they not compulsory as with other bits and pieces like indicators, brake light et al?

It's been foggy today, in patches between Leek and Buxton, passed lines of cars with fogs on. I just stayed close enough to the car in front and hung on to his tail lights. Bit embarrasing when i had to reverse out of his drive in Cheddleton;)

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - Bilboman

A situation where I would use front foglights only: At the head of a queue of cars trundling through thick fog at 10 mph (brain dead chavs who overtook me at 65, convinced that it is safer to go faster and oblivious of the "fog clearing" slipstream effect of my car, are already upturned in a ditch some distance ahead). I have less than 100m visibility ahead but as I am constantly being tailgated, I switch off my rear fogs out of courtesy but stamp on the brakes every 15 seconds to increase distance from the tailgaters.

A situation where I would use rear foglights only: 3pm on a bright Saturday afternoon and I'm popping half a mile up the road to the offy to buy fags in my partner's car and I have no idea where any of the controls are or how they work; in fact it's a miracle I managed to find the seatbelt and put it on. On my way back I will get lost and will then mistake the rear foglight warning light for low fuel and will misfuel and blow the engine up.

Fog/Driving Lights - Useful or Show?? - fordman1

Certain makes of car, only allow you to use the rear fog lights, if the front are switced on first.

The last two 'Ford; cars that I have owned are like this.

Edited by fordman1 on 30/12/2010 at 00:01