VW - VW Toyota - Collos25

http://www.thelocal.de/money/20101119-31291.html

Interesting little article.

VW - VW Toyota - Dutchie

Very inpressive article it shows that the head of volkswagen isn't sitting on his backside and sees the world go by.

Also the involvement of Bernd Osterloh workers comittee member to have people involved from the shop floor which is so inportant.

Not far from me, Sheffield Forger can't get a hundred miljion pound loan from the goverment to secure jobs for their workforce.

50 Billion euros is a lot of money lets hope a bit of it blows our way regarding work.

VW - VW Toyota - dereckr

VW are going to have their work cut out catching up with Toyota. Every travel documentary or news report from around the world you see, Toyota seem to be the dominant make, certainly in the Middle East and Africa. I went to Kenya a couple of years ago. There was a mix of vehicle makes if you were outside of town, but in Mombasa where the cars were relatively new, I didn’t see another make.

I live in a fairly affluent part of Kent. Around hear, the Aygo is the second car of choice…there are dozens of them locally. The other Toyota models are well represented in the new car purchases sitting on the drives.

Worldwide, I guess the Koreans are well placed to challenge them, but if VW are serious, I wish them luck.

PS Why did the type size come out this small?

Edited by dereckr on 23/11/2010 at 23:25

VW - VW Toyota - madf

I have a Yaris. Once had an A4. The better engineered and more reliable car was the cheaper.

Look at a 10 year old Yaris versus a 10 year old Polo#: read the Owners' Forums. One is rather dull and boring, one is full of wiring and electrical faults..

I know which make I would rather buy for longevity....

#Or Golf, or Audi A2.

Edited by madf on 24/11/2010 at 09:50

VW - VW Toyota - Collos25

But that is not what the report is about,regarding vehicle faults and recalls I think Toyota world wide came top of the list last year what with petrol engine failure,brake failures,accelerator pedal failures to name a few .There are plenty of ten year old VAG models about running absolutely perfectly just as there are cars from all parts of the globe.

VW - VW Toyota - dereckr

Let’s not slide into denigrating one make over the other. The fact is that Toyota have been incredibly successful tailoring cars to the marketplace. My observations about cars in Mombasa left out the detail that these were mainly a kind of four door saloon that reminded me of the Carina E, (probably called Corrolla) likely to be locally assembled and to a basic specification.

We were travelling in a Nissan bus, but the native population were bussed around in Toyota vans…there must have been hundreds of them.

My point being, that if this popularity was simply based on reliability, where were the other “reliable“makes?

Re-reading the article, VW are not that far behind in sales volume, so their aim might be achievable. I wonder where in the world it is that VW group vehicles dominate the market?

VW - VW Toyota - Dutchie

I think VW have a market in China if they have there are plenty of customers for the future.

The boss of VW must be optimistic to invest 50 bilion Euro.

VW - VW Toyota - AnotherWaiting

>>"Let’s not slide into denigrating one make over the other"

Unfortunately for many its the primary purpose of posting and involvment in the forum.

VW - VW Toyota - Sofa Spud

My last 3 cars have been VW - the last two with 1.9 TDI engines. Although they have had some problems, compared to any other cars I've owned they are far more reliable.

One minus point I've noticed is that the interior trim in our Touran is of poorer quality than our previous VWs - that aside it's a brilliant car.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 28/11/2010 at 11:38

VW - VW Toyota - corax

The saving grace of VW's is that parts can be easily obtained down the road from many reputable suppliers. They're not perfect though, the same engineering faults occur in successive generations, water leaks through doors, leaves blocking the scuttle drains and needing a new ECU if left too long due to water damage.

Toyota's parts are on the whole more expensive, but unless you've bought a lemon they very rarely need anything other than servicing. If you're buying nearly new, I would say that the dealer experience is more preferable to VW, which would appeal to many people.

It's down to personal choice in the end, and what your priorities and tastes are.

VW - VW Toyota - Avant

"Production of the new pick-up utility, the Amarok, will begin in Hannover, with the expectation that up to 40,000 of the sturdy vehicles will be made by the middle of 2012."

To me that was the most significant para of the article (thanks for finding it, Andy). In many countries of the world the small truck / 4x4 / pickup market is the one to crack. The Japanese, especially Toyota, took over from Land Rover when LR's quality took a dive.

VW will do well if the Amarok is both good value and indestructible.