May I extend my sympathies to English road users - dieseldogg

Cos I was going nuts whilst in Cornwall, mostly driving between Marazion (near Penzance) and Helston.

I absolutly could NOT keep track of what the correct speed limits were as it varied from 60 to 30, sometimes via 50 & 40, sometimes not, and indeed sometimes apparently quite at random.

I did think it odd that they did not feel the need to enforce a 15mph limit on the unmarked roads, apparently 60 mph was OK on them????

May I extend my sympathies to English road users - OldSkoOL

I admitted recently i occasionally failed to notice the change in speed limits when driving on new to me roads.

It was part of a speed camera debate on this forum, where i was making a point about how some roads are not sign posted clearly enough.

Well, i didn't exactly get a nice reception by some of the posters on that thread. Essentially, It is mandatory that you MUST observe the correct speed limit at all times, regardless of how poor the signage is, or how many times it changes.

I.e. your a rubbish driver for not knowing.

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Edited by OldSkoOL on 16/09/2010 at 11:04

May I extend my sympathies to English road users - BigJohnD

I.e. your a rubbish driver for not knowing.

Clearly one size does not fit all, but the inconsistent application of speed limits to types of roads is the problem. If risk assessments are carried out to determine the limit, then I'd love to see them.

I'm sure we all know of open dual carriageways with barriers on the central reservation in non-residential areas with 40mph limits and narrow country lanes with a 60mph national speed limit.

National speed limts: http://www.abd.org.uk/speed_limits.htm

Edited by BigJohnD on 16/09/2010 at 11:47

May I extend my sympathies to English road users - Dutchie

I must be one of the rubbish drivers it can be very confusing and easy to make a mistake.Some of these country roads round here should't be more than 30mph.Risk assessments John i love to see them to.

May I extend my sympathies to English road users - dieseldogg

Actually, being mostly used to driving here in Northern Ireland & being reasonably familiar with the geography and knowing when to expect a settlement therefore probably 30mph and have slowed down in advance.

There were a couple of points on that run I mentioned where it went straight from 60 to 30 with almost no warning i.e. just round a bend, if I recall, so heavy(ish) braking required if one was to cross the line at the required 30.

However in Scotland they have a "count-down" system which works really well, when 60 becomes 30

Plus surely there should be repeater speed limit signs on every SLC if the speed limit is other than that which might be reasonably expected?, or is constantly & somewhat arbitarily changing.

Edited by dieseldogg on 16/09/2010 at 15:57

May I extend my sympathies to English road users - OldSkoOL

These are all good points and ones that i made in the other thread and those points were missed/dismissed. Some of the hardcore, basically stating people should pay more attention.

I bet a lot of speeding cases are the result of not knowing or not being reminded of the limit, then a large proportion down to accidentally allowing the speed to creep up, especially going downhill in a 30 and maybe just a quarter of all cases becase people genuinely have no regard for the law.

But no, they love to put camera vans in locations they know they will catch people. Not exactly preventing speeding is it and in most cases not even at the location of an accident black spot, just near it. The offence has already occurred. Anyway, lets not go off on one again.

May I extend my sympathies to English road users - madf

<i>I bet a lot of speeding cases are the result of not knowing or not being reminded of the limit, then a large proportion down to accidentally allowing the speed to creep up, especially going downhill in a 30 and maybe just a quarter of all cases becase people genuinely have no regard for the law.</i>

We live in a 30 mph limit, beside a school. ALL the roads are 30mph for at least 1 mile. We regulalry get people travelling to and from work doing 40, 50 or evn 70mph . Given the road's major purpose is to and from residential areas, the majority (>90%) of all drivers will travel the road at least twice a week..

Yes, part of the road towards the school is downhill. It is also very twisty.. and the local police regularly catch 10 motorists in 30 minutes exceeding the limit when they bother to speed trap every 6 months.

My conclusion: most of the speeders don't care. They are approcahing a school. They don't care. They are approaching a bad bend. They don't care.

I have been overtaken on the same road by a Mercedes doing at least 50mph beside the school entrance.

Perhaps you would care to reassess your views.. mine is that there are a sizeable minority of people who - if this was the US- would be in jail...

May I extend my sympathies to English road users - Bilboman

The other side of the coin - pedestrians themselves! The onus is always on the driver, it's "always" the driver's fault, and yet how much attention is paid to training pedestrians - of all ages! - on road safety and road manners?

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May I extend my sympathies to English road users - Dutchie

I agree regarding pedestrians and cyclist we should all be aware,i have cycled and i am also a pedestrian.You have to give consideration to children and the eldery.Children when they leave school and small children they are often not aware of the dangers of traffic.I hate to see speeding in build up areas,the thought of harming anybody with my car no thank you.Iam no angel, on the motorway i like to move along.