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Use of roundabouts - the_bandit

Manoeuvre involves approaching a roundabout (not a big one with all exits visible and capable of carrying two cars side-by-side) and leaving on 3rd exit (3 o'clock position). Just before I am about level with my exit 1 with appropriate signal and road position, car waiting at my exit 1 decides to proceed onto roundabout and take his first exit (soon to become my 2nd exit which is at my 12 o'clock position).

No collision took place and assuming we both stick to our intended paths no collision would take place but I have noticed recently and increase the number of drivers willing to enter a roundabout ultimately without giving way to those already into their manoeuvre even though they have no intention of taking the same exit.

It can make for uncomfortable driving when this happens because I cannot see their signal and for all I know they are about to drive straight out in front of me. All because they are not willing to wait a few seconds more until the roundabout is clear.

Anyone else with me on this?

Use of roundabouts - Armstrong Sid

I think I see what you're getting at. I know what you mean about not knowing for certain what the other driver is going to do, but I can also see it almost as a case of multi-tasking. He is getting on with his manoeuvre whilst you are getting on with yours and (hopefully) the two will never meet. If it's a fairly busy junction, it can help keep things moving and prevent hold ups which could be regarded as unecessary.

It's the same principle/problem you encounter with people who are waiting to pull out of a side road (or into a roundabout) and they see someone coming towards them indicating to turn left. Do they pull out assuming the other vehicle will actually turn left, or do they wait until it's become blatantly obvious? I admit I get a bit annoyed when people wait until the turn; I would usually pull out assuming the left turn will happen - unless the approaching speed makes it obvious it won't.

So far in over 30 years, I've never been rammed in the side, so...........

Edited by Armstrong Sid on 01/09/2010 at 12:56

Signal .... At a roundabout? - bonzo dog

The only person in the whole of the UK who indicates both approaching a roundabout (assuming I'm not going straight ahead) AND to exit the island ,,, is me! I'm convinced, since I honestly cannot recall seeing anyone else in the past few years doing so.

As regards to the person pulling out, the traffic on the roundabout has right of way so no-one should do so unless it is completely clear & safe to do so. I think what happens is that some people consider the fact that you will brake as being safe to do so!

Sid - it happened to me a few years back - looking to pull out of a side road, car approaching, slowing down & indicating. I presumed she was turning & pulled out but she didn't - BANG!

Signal .... At a roundabout? - davecooper
bonzo dog, you are not the only one, there are two of us at least. I religiously indicate when approaching for left and right exits and always for exiting. I have always said that in my area at least, when you buy a new car, they ask if you want the optional indicators.
Signal .... At a roundabout? - the_bandit

We should all arrange to meet at the same roundabout and enjoy our indications, consideration for other road users and application of the Highway Code !!!

Signal .... At a roundabout? - julie page

I see people all the time going in the nearside land because it is moving quicker then going round the outside for exitsat to the right

Signal .... At a roundabout? - Dutchie

There has been more than a few incidents on roundabouts here where i live.Trucks turning over,one resulted in a fatallity a woman on a bicycle when a container came off a wagon.Another incident a truck had to brake hard and take evasive action when a car did't give way whilst he was on the roundabout the timber truck ended up on his side.What is the point of roundabouts instead of traffic lights?I know that on this road we have had a lot of accidents with big trucks turning over negociating these roundabouts,there is not a lot of room for heavy goods vehicles on the roundabouts.Just wondered what truck drivers think of roundabouts?

Signal .... At a roundabout? - bintang

I am allergic to drivers sneaking past me on the left so tend to occupy the left lane if I can for as long as I need it. In any case, it is best to mirror-and-shoulder-check left on exit to make sure it isn't happening.

Where the Dorchester-Weymouth road crosses the Dorchester by-pass, with the football ground on your right, there are dedicated lanes (i.e. with arrows) for left, ahead and right but you find only one lane on leaving. Take the centre lane to go ahead and you sometimes have to fight with drivers on your left and right aiming for the same single exit lane.

Signal .... At a roundabout? - Problem_Polo :-/

As a former PCV driver I always found the primary gripe with roundabouts, as with driving in general, is the inability of some people to approach a situation involving a large vehicle and react in a sensible way. The main concern of most motorists is simply "how quickly can I get past this big slow lump of metal that is selfishly occupying my road..." and if they judge - wrongly - that the best time to do it is mid-manoeuvre then so be it! Anything as long as a bus or lorry obviously needs more roadspace when you turn, if you're negotiating a fairly tight r'bout with two lanes then you may well need to occupy both to avoid driving over the middle. But the whole process is made much more tedious by constantly having to anticipate some pratt coming steaming up the inside as the front of your vehicle swings round, no matter how obvious you make the situation by taking it wide. I also used to get frustrated when you'd stop in a queue of traffic, miles from the kerb and with no indicators going, and observe the person behind you pull out and drive down the outside, assuming automatically that any stationary bus is clearly at a bus stop. I mean, why else would you come to a halt?! People failing to indicate on r'bouts, or going three quarters of the way round it and then indicating as they start to leave, is my pet hate tho! Maybe they don't point it out anymore that on a r'bout you're always giving a signal, indicator or not!

Signal .... At a roundabout? - Bilboman

A lot of roundabouts I come across would work a lot better with only one lane going round and then there would be no argy-bargy. I'm thinking of ones situated at the junction of normally quiet roads where there isn't normally ten times more traffic on one approaching road than another. In the Channel Islands there is a system of alternate merging which helps with the flow - similar to the American "4 way stop" although a complete stop is not always necessary.

I also think some common sense rules such as "no overtaking or undertaking moving vehicles on a roundabout" - if obeyed! - would improve things. Blatant, pushy queue jumpers should obviously be shot on sight, as it's just not cricket. Not sure what to do about those who go round more than one whole circuit to gain advantage. As long as they follow the rules, I suppose they should be allowed to do it. Unless they push in front of ME, of course :-)

Final two penn'orth is that the odd lick of paint wouldn't come amiss: for example, where there have to be two (or worse still THREE) lanes going round, some lane dividers with stretches of NOT TO BE CROSSED EVER double lines.

Signal .... At a roundabout? - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:....""I admit I get a bit annoyed when people wait until the turn; I would usually pull out assuming the left turn will happen - unless the approaching speed makes it obvious it won't.""

Make certain there isn't another left turn off the main road just beyond the one you're trying to pull out from! If there are two left turns close together, people who want to take the second turn often signal left before the first one.

There's a place like that near us. If I'm going to take the second left, I don't signal until I'm past the first left. This does sometimes annoy following drivers because this necessitates slowing down but leaving signalling until the last minute. But I'd rather annoy a stupid White Van Man behind me who can't work things out than have someone pull out of the first junction in front of me because they thought I was turning there.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 08/09/2010 at 21:18

Signal .... At a roundabout? - Vitesse6

I thought that double white lines, like speed limits and traffic lights were now only advisory!

Signal .... At a roundabout? - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:...""I thought that double white lines, like speed limits and traffic lights were now only advisory!""

Aren't insurance, tax, MOT and driving licence only advisory too now?

Edited by Sofa Spud on 08/09/2010 at 21:17

Signal .... At a roundabout? - Dutchie

I must admit i find rounabouts a bit of a pain in the backside.Our strech of road Hedon Road in a space of about four miles four roundabouts and a load of accidents.A lot of lorries turning over turning into the dock entrances.This road was if i can remember upgraded ten years ago.Before the upgrading the nickname by lorry drivers was the road to hell.We waited years for the upgrading of this road and i expected something similair what they have in the states.Keep traffic flowing no roundabouts If there is a accident on Hedon Road Clive Sullivan way named after a wales rugby player.Hull is at a standstill traffic diversions and the like which have happened quite a few times over the last few months.Rant over.!