I think you'll get the same as last time. You should hear within 14 days( it may take a month if it's a company car) and you'll have to identify the driver. if its you it'll probably be a fixed penalty and 3 pts. the points stay on for three years for totting up and four for insurance. I've just got caught near Corby - its an evil spot and worth knowing about. the camera is on the A6003 at the bottom of a very steep hill before Rockingham village. The camera works every time and I watch out for it. what I didn't see was the plain transit van with a camera in the back 150 yards past the fixed camera - done like a kipper at 37mph.
If you've not heard by the end of Feb you've probably got away with it.
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To clarify that last point if the registered keeper of the vehicle is not issued with a Notice of Intended Prosecution within 14 days you HAVE got away with it.
Over that time the police cannot prosecute.
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Tom
Strictly, the NIP must be despatched, not received, within 14 days for it to be valid. So, if the Post office loses it, you're still in trouble.
Regards
John S
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The letter of the law says that a NIP must be sent recorded or regeistered presumably so that the PO can't lose it! If it isn't sent that way there is no proof, ie signature, that you have received it. With the PO admitting publicly to losing 500,000 items of mail a week, recorded or registered must be the only way to guarantee delivery.
"A notice shall be deemed for the purposes of subsection (1)(c) above to have been served on a person if it was sent by registered post or recorded delivery service addressed to him at his last known address, notwithstanding that the notice was returned as undelivered or was for any other reason not received by him."
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You are right about that Rockingham camera! A road comes North from a roundabout, with the National 60 mph limit in force; you come round a left bend on a 1 in 6 downhill and the fixed camera is about 100 yards inside a 30 limit that starts as you come round the bend. If it was a s************ and not a revenue raiser, the speed limit would start on the level as you leave the roundabout some 400 yards before where the presnt limit starts. Rant Over! By the way this is in Northaptonshire so it is about wha you expect! Bags of cameras and a very poor clear up rate on anti-social behaviour, burglary abd the things that matter!
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camera for detecting speeding - as the filter has ***ed the words I wrote
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It'll cheer the wife up! That Rockingham Rev Collector broke her immaculate license. Departing after her 2nd day in new job (on the Earlstrees) she went to meet a friend in Leic's and got her photo taken. A complete hisser as a)it's devious, and b)it's the A427 that she'd normally be using.
Plenty of other dodgy tricks in Northants... watch for the new 40mph for 4 miles stretches between villages, where previously it was 60!!! No notice other than the big Nat limit signs have been replaced by small 40mph on 4ft poles. W@nkers.
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Matt35 - everyone\'s a god but sometimes they fall too; just read the Nephilim and Balaam stories. Ideally no one ever breaks a speed limit but that\'d mean no one does more than 52 cuz no one can pass the lead truck out in middle of Nowhereshire without breaking the limit.
He\'s got done, he aint complaining and only wants to know the likely penalty. \"Ohhhh heavy right foot\" hmmm. The people that should get done are those - okay there\'s two I see everyday: 1 woman in a pink fluffy dice, and a bloke in an illegal \'H reg\' Astra (1 headlamp since October). Both exit & enter a small village near Oundle doing over 45mph in a 30 zone. That\'s bad but what gets me is the first/last building is a primary school that has teachers/parents & kids arriving with the added distraction of builders working on the site. But that\'d mean work.... far easier to stick a camera on a 30mph inner city dual carriageway.
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Trish,
I have read neither of the books you mention, and I am sorry if my comment upset you in some way.
My post to the subject was meant to be consructive - not critical, to a young person done for speeding.
Where do you live - is there a Police Station nearby?
Can you report these pink fluffy dice to the local cops?
My hobby in retirement is being an Observer with the IAM and trying to keep cementarys as empty as possible of young people.
Care to join me?
Regards,
Matt35
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Pink fluffy dice? Eh?
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DavidHM,
Pink fluffy dice is Mark editing and substituting MY word as opposed to deleting the post - Thanks Mark.
Matt35
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Even the extreme anarchists who think that it is somehow "clever" to spray paint over cameras on FAST roads
are in favour of cameras in built up areas and at traffic lights.
Speeding in 30 limits (where there are pedestians)
is not only illegal, it is STUPID.
When will people learn?
(Oh yes, I do NOT hang about on open country roads -
in my Audi TT - but in 30 I do 30 - well, OK, 33 tops)
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I agree with Trevor - so much for New Year resolutions 8-).
Two speedings in a 30, especially over 40, would tend to indicate that some people are a little slow to learn. Your insurance company isn't going to like it this time, next time they'll get really hot under the collar.
Nonetheless, do make sure that you tell them, the consequencies of not doing so are worse than an increased premium.
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What is the position with a rental?
I was in UK last May and apparently unbeknown to me I must have triggered a camera somewhere. FIrst I knew was when the rental company stuck an eunexpected charge on my Visa bill. I queried this and after about 2 months Visa came back and said it was a traffic fine. I said I'm not paying it nobody sticks charges om my a/c without I say so, sort it out with the rental co. Appears they did because the charge disappeared off my charge card account.
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Very interesting that one Growler.
Since when has a rental Company taken on the mantle of a Mags Clerks office in Fixed penalty fine collection?
It may well have been approached to name the driver and then as a try on to increase its own revenue added the fine on seeing you were a non UK resident. Not entitled to do that for speeding which I understand you were flashed for. Now parking could be entirely different as I understand it.
Wonder if this is a scam you have unearthed?
DVD.
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Read the contract. I am sure I read something about passing all penalties to your credit card in the last one I read.
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Who gets the points?
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Dunno, I suppose the name on the contract if he has a UK licence.
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Dunno, I suppose the name on the contract if he has a UK licence.
Hmmm. Seems dubious. Surely contact with a defendant must be required.
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Dunno.
It happened to me once, and I never saw any points from it.
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It happened to me once, and I never saw any points from it.
Sure it wasn't parking?
What I don't get is this.
The hire company can't plead guilty on your behalf.
All they can do is either pass on your details or refuse to identify you if they don't have proper records.
So they don't have the option of taking getting away without points.
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Sure it wasn't parking?
No, not sure. But I don't think so. Seemed a sum of money more appropriate to speeding.
The hire company....................
I'm guessing here but........
I imagine that the Rental Company complies with the law in that they supply the name of the driver as required. However, I also imagine that they plead guilty and pay the fine.
They recover the cost of the fine from your credit card and leave it up to the authorities as to whether or not they pursue you to add points to your licence. I suspect that the authorities then consider that they have received the money, there is no outstanding fine or information and decide not to puruse simply to add points as a)uneconomic and b) unlikely to succeed given how many of them will be foreign licences.
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I detect the aroma of a rodent.
We need DVD or someone who works for a hire company to sort this out.
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TOTH,
Not specific to speeding as points don't apply but this is what one rental company has to say about Ken's congestion penalties.
having initially defined which rental locations this applies to
"As a service, XXXX will automatically purchase the permit for the first calendar day of any rental commencing from these locations within charging hours and this charge will be added to the rental agreement.
The responsibility for purchasing permits for additional rental days will fall on the individual driver who will be liable for any penalties and an admin charge if applicable."
then later on,
"Congestion Charge Penalties
Failure to purchase a permit will result in the customer of a vehicle being issued with a penalty notice to the value of £80, this would be discounted to £40 if paid within 14 days.
If the rental agreement is signed by the customer the customer details will be notified to the charging authority who will seek payment direct.
If the rental agreement is not signed or if the transfer of the liability for this charge is not accepted, XXXX will pay on behalf of the customer and then send an invoice to the customer with the addition of an administration fee."
Might there be some dubious characters hanging around rental sites in order to clone rental cars in the knowledge that the fine will always be paid?
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Might there be some dubious characters hanging around rental sites in order to clone rental cars in the knowledge that the fine will always be paid?
There will be now, what an excellent idea!
Know anyone that hires out Alfas?
No Dosh ** Quick, talk motoring, Mark's coming! **
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Know anyone that hires out Alfas?
I once had a 156 V6 from Kennings, but you didn't hear that from me ;-)
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In relation to Notices fixed to Stationary Vehicles then when the charge is not paid then it is recorded as a fine against the owner of the vehicle. Sect 66, Road Traffic Offences Act 1988 allows the Hiring Company to include in their agreement a Statement of Liability signed by the Hirer in which he acknowledges responsibility, as owner of the vehicle, for all charges made (See FiF's post). Thus the Rental Co do not have to pay anything themselves but act as a recovery Agent.
Speeding caught on camera appears to be a different kettle of fish as the conditional offer if not paid is not recorded automatically against the owner. Presumably because of the question of endorsement of the Licence. This is probably why Growler was able to recover his hard earned Bahts? Further, I suspect he used one of his many non UK Licences to hire.
Like Toad I still smell a rat as I wonder how many other visitors to this wunnerful countree that have been flashed have been similarly charged and just accepted and paid up.
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DVD has grasped the point I was trying to make. It has to do with the way this was handled. If the rental co is the keeper or whatever that funny name is you use for whoever owns the thing then they would presumably get the bill for whatever it was I didn't know I did. Speed, run a red? I don't know? Entirely possible I could have careful as I try to be.
Now, they simply applied a charge to my Visa (sorry DVD, it was a Sterling card actually not Pesos). I had long forgotten about the transaction, just a routine couple of days' car rental, no big deal right? and since returned home to my adopted country and the arms of a warm and welcoming Miss Philippines and a few cold tinnies.
Two months or so later I got quite simply a charge I did not recognise under this rental company's name and like anybody would I queried it. Visa did a fair job of chasing (cost me a bit in intl faxes and follow up) and then informed me the rental company (after some 3 months) could not substantiate the charge and they had therefore removed it from my account.
Now then (unless of course the rental company's internal systems are totally chaotic which I do not believe because they are one of the names you first think of, LHR branch too,) surely they would have sent a note to Visa saying well, this guy rented our car, he got a ticket, here's the copy, under the agreement he agrees he's got to pay, go talk to him about your problem.
That did not happen and the Visa letter said simply we have credited your account in the absence of support for this charge from the merchant despite several requests.
Que pasa a qui? De nada? I don't know. Just I have been curious about this, it reappeared twice before Visa killed it.
OK If I was running a company like I used to, you know what, I think I'd have my beanie take a look at our corporate charge card statements when the managers take business trips and which get paid routinely and just match up those car rental charges to trip reports, just as a routine check, you know? Finance dept just give me a feel for what we're spending on car rental with *****, can you?
As the old saying goes just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
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Don't talk to me about credit cards. Hmph!
Lost mine last June, notified the companies the next day and they replaced them with new cards and numbers.
Since Dec small payments made recently on the old cards are cropping up every month.
When I queried why they are transferring the charge to my card, knowing full well that the cards were cancelled 6 months ago, they said that the payments are too small (all BT payphone calls so far) for them to trap. So I asked how long will this go on for? They said possibly for ever.
One more month of it, and I will cancel the cards completely. I get so many offers each week of new cards with better offerings that it's only been laziness that has prevented me doing so anyway.
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My gripe if it is one is in no way directed at Visa or credit cards generally. Visa was entirely courteous throughout and followed would be their SOP (I used to work for Amex, so I have some feel for that) and they dealt with the matter to my satisfaction. My issue is how those charges got on my account and why they suddenly vanished when challenged. I mean why didn't they just fax me a copy of the ticket? If it was routine traffic offense, well poo-poo occurs and I must pay up. I did the crime I'll do the time. Tell me what I owe.
Can't stick points on a Philippines license anyways (I keep my UK one for special occasions hehe).
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If it was a temporary motorway camera there wouldn't have been any points. Just a fine.
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