Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - primeradriver

To add to the list of gripes with the Focus I've bought, I don't like the sound quality of the stereo one bit.

I've replaced the head unit with a decent Sony unit, without much of an improvement. The sound really is dire -- to someone who appreciates good separates, this thing sounds like a 1980s Amstrad effort.

No problem, or at least it shouldn't be. Just replace the speakers.

Looking around on the net, it would appear that the speakers on the 2005- Focus are RIVETTED TO THE DOOR?!?!? And that it's nigh on impossible to replace them without specialist equipment.

What planet does this bunch of American jokers live on?

If this is true, this car is carp of the highest order. The list of things I don't like about it is running to a second page right now. People who rave about these cars must not have driven anything else other than an Astra, that's all I can say. I am *this* far away from taking a £1000 loss and buying *absolutely anything* Japanese, that's how annoyed I am with this dungheap.

Does an easy fit replacement exist without the need to drill out rivets?

Edited by primeradriver on 26/07/2010 at 20:29

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - bathtub tom

Why would anyone in their right mind expect any sort of half-decent audio reproduction in a tin box that's likely to be doing 70MPH whilst surrounded by other, noisy, tin boxes? ;>)

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - primeradriver
Well, it does seem to be that basic attitude that has driven Ford's design ethos when engineering this thing, that's for sure ;) And while we're at it, why put in decent plastics, refinement, pedals....

The sound quality is offensive to my ears -- far worse than the Primera that went before it.

Edited by primeradriver on 26/07/2010 at 20:40

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - SteveLee
Specialist equipment? It takes seconds to drill out rivets and the guns cost less than a tenner! At least some scroat can't nick 'em with a screwdriver! :-)

www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand+Tools/Engineering+To...8
Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - primeradriver
So, you put in a completely non-standard speaker fitting, rivet it into place, and then neglect to sell an adaptor, all so some scroat can't somehow break the door open, prise the doorcard off and nick the speaker with a screwdriver?

Then, after going to all this trouble, buy in your speakers from the lowest bidder?

You're willing to *defend* this blatant attempt to extort £70 per speaker for Titanium upgrades that aren't even as good as £30 Pioneers?

Never, ever again will I be tempted to buy a "mainstream" car.
Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - MrTG

You got rid of a Primera to buy a Focus ??? Huh ?? It must have been a very old or worn out Primera. Please re-assure us :-)

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - corax

You got rid of a Primera to buy a Focus ??? Huh ?? It must have been a very old or worn out Primera. Please re-assure us :-)

I've told him before MrTG, buy a decent car like an Accord, complete with replaceable speakers :-)

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - primeradriver
I know, I know, I made a mistake. But being the tight northerner that I am this thing will have to do for now.

Yes, I do want an Accord and yes, the Primera was fairly worn out (250K miles).
Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - SteveLee
The Ford Focus generally is more reliable than the dreadful Renaultised P12 Primera, I wouldn't touch a Primera since the legendary (in terms of handling) P11. I know two private mechanics, they both say they hardly ever see Focuses apart from routine servicing - that's good enough to convince me that they are usually very good cars.

Primeradriver, I'm surprised you don't like the handling of the Focus, I guess it may be very engine/model specific, but the ones I have driven have been superb, far better than any other similar hatch I've driven.
Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - primeradriver
I agree re the P12, I wouldn't have one either. But my Primera was a P11, which was a b***** good car and a high bar to aim for I guess.

The Focus might be the most reliable and best handling car in the world, but the ergonomics in particular are awful. I can't feel the car on the edge because, try as I might, I can't get comfortable. All positions seemingly result in twinges and physical pain at times.

I should have bought a Mondeo instead, but I've heard so many horror stories about this car (diesels mostly) that I was scared off.
Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - Roly93

Just drill the rivets out, a £19.99 drill from Aldi will do this !

I dont think its fair to say the Focus is carp. Its probably still the best car to drive in its class, and for the money probably one of the most reliable. Okay the Focus isn't an S-Class Merc, the fact as you,ve said yourself, is that this is an ordinary family hatchback designed to do this job well which it does.

Dont be taken in by the Japanese cars never have any problems brigade cus they do. I had a Lexus IS200 as a company car and in over 15 years of company car driving, it spent the most time off the road of any car I have ever had to date.

If you compare like with like the Focus will hold its own with any other car in its class.

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - madf

I am sorry but anyone who buys a car and then complains about the stereo quality has only the ppurchaser to blame...for not testing it first...

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - primeradriver

madf, what you say is true except for one small point -- I'm not complaining about the stereo quality. It is to be expected that the stereo system in a mundane hatchback is going to be useless -- that's what the aftermarket is for. It's when a manufacturer makes life as difficult as it can to actually change their useless rubbish that the fur starts to fly.

And I really don't buy this argument about the Focus being the best to drive in the segment either. It's flat around corners, but the ultimate grip is no better, the steering is too light and the controls lack feel.

It's just a mundane hatchback, not terribly well made, that benefits from being reasonably reliable and some parts are cheaper than some of its peers. That, and it's sub-Korean cheap these days.

Still, if as it seems the brackets are available aftermarket then all is not lost. I'll keep the upgrade in the back pocket -- I'm still not convinced I'll be able to keep a car with all the charisma of a Hyundai Accent for very long, but if it does end up winning me around I'll at least be able to upgrade the stupid speakers.

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - woodster
The Focus is much lauded in the UK motoring press for it's handling, and yes, on a B road thrash, compared to it's hatchback rivals, it's probably the best handler. But who spends their driving days in a constant B road thrash? To praise it to death in this area is to miss the point of most cars at this price. I can't believe that B road handling is top of most purchasers priorities. I reckon unit profit per Focus is ludicrously high. It's a cheap lightweight product, piled high and sold, er, expensively. Good trick if you can pull it off. Ford have.
Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - Singlish

Regarding the point regarding the 'expensive' sales price of the Ford Focus, I believe no one pays the LIST price, I am sure most people would agree it would be better for Ford to lower the list price and therefore the dealers would not offer huge % discounts. I believe at this moment with a new model due, it is possible to buy a new mid range focus for around £12000.

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - corax

>> It's a cheap lightweight product, piled high and sold, er, expensively.

At one point I was thinking about something 'sensible' to replace my BMW and looked at a few Focus 2.0TDCi Ghias on autotrader. Ridiculous prices for cars that have done near or well over 100000 miles. Theres no way I would buy something with those mileages for that price that I don't think could last the distance anyway. Fine for people buying nearly new, then selling after 2 years when they're bored but not for me.

I think the Ford have the motoring press to thank because 2 people I know that owned Focuses found them uncomfortable, and if you read readers reviews, people hardly ever rave about them, apart from the ST. Someone told me that Top Gear used to be heavily backed by Ford, I suspect the motoring press are, or they are spoilt by 'short term' handling thrills, they then give the car back, so they never find out what it's like to own one long term.

Drifting from the subject for a moment, I find that people that drive smaller Fords tend to have an 'offset head'. What I mean, is that when I'm behind them, I can see through their rear window that their head is between the seats, rather than where it should be. I told someone at work who owns a Fiesta ST, and he said 'Yeah, actually, I do that'. Maybe they're trying to get comfortable, eh Primera Driver....

Edited by corax on 28/07/2010 at 12:02

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - Collos25

Focus speakers can be changed without a problem and there are thousands of variations on replacements they are done everyday you just appear to making a problem for a problems sake .Its obvious you do not like the Focus so why not sell it .If you want you can spend more on an in car sound and vision system than you can on the car it that floats your boat.

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - captain chaos

A good car audio specialist will be able to sort you out with an excellent set of speakers ideally suited to your head unit and vehicle application. I would get them to fit them too, they would find it a doddle as they have probably done quite a few. If you don't like the car, however...

The standard fitment sound system on the Kia Rio is excellent. If you want the best though, go for a Volvo convertible.

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - Paul G1pdc

my first ford didn't even have a wireless....let alone a stereo....mk2 escort 1.1 pop. hmm didn't have reversing lights or heated back window, or seat recliners or brake servo or disk brakes... (drums all round in 1977) all mentioned was standard non-fitment

.................. there wasn't much in the way of sills either...hahaha...

worst car stereo was in a mk1 toyota MR2. (E REG) had tiny....hmm tinny little speakers on the windcreen pillars tried to upgrade them but as they where so small in diameter I just couldn't make anything decent in the way of sound quality.

paul.

i would guess that ford use rivets as screws have a habbit of working loose or requiring washers...rivets are cheap, quick and rattle free....

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - FocusDriver72

Well stone me! I read your post and felt like I'd written it myself.

I too can't stand the sound of the Focus (2008) stereo. It's worse than any other car stereo (or any other audio system) I've ever heard. Even if you weren't fussy about sound you'd hate it. I changed the HU but found that the speakers are nasty too. I spoke to another focus owner and he 'upgraded' to Titanium speakers and then told me that they sound slightly better...but still light years away from anything 'good'. Amstrad? They were never this bad.

I also have many gripes about the Focus, It won't start in cold weather (my previous Nissan never failed to start once in 10 yrs) The interior has cheap upholstery and plastic that easily marks.

I bought the car because I liked it's driving position but I can't say that much else impresses me. I thought Ford's were supposed to represent good value but at 17k (new) I think they're a overpriced somewhat.

Did you manage to change your speakers? I decided I wanted to do mine but then thought that its too much hassle. I'm not use at DIY and it will cost too much for a set of 4 good speakers plus fitting. I'll just have to put up with the horrible thing until I decide to change cars. I am really annoyed at Ford for fitting such a dire piece of equipment in a mid range car.

Edited by FocusDriver72 on 18/03/2011 at 21:27

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - Bedhead

The speakers on my 2000 Mondeo were absolutely rubbish, plus they were a non standard size so replacements were going to be a real pain. On the up side, it got me listening to AM radio again, the sound quality out of an old Citroen AX was better.

To my eternal shame, I forked out a small fortune on a facia adaptor and connector lead so I could fit a decent Sony head unit. No better.

The speakers on my present A4 are great, but the standard radio has a fault with the volume, it's either silent or as loud as Motorhead.

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - Avant

Primeradriver and Focusdriver72 - if anyone should be looking at a Golf or Octavia it's both of you.

The Focus is lauded by the press exactly as said above - for its ability to be punted at high speeds on B-roads: for the same reason the testers always prefer BMWs to Audis. There are a lot of people who are quite happy not to drive like that, and don't find VWs, Audis etc lacking in that rather ill-defined quality of 'drivability'.

The real advantage of a Focus, or any Ford, is that they are very good value secondhand: there are so many around that they lose their value quickly, so that for a given budget one can buy a newer Ford than one can a VW or Audi.

Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - primeradriver
Whoa... blast from the past.

My answer to this one in the end? Shove my (expensive Sony) head unit on Radio 2 and turn the volume down. Couldn't be bothered with it any more.

I have got used to the car to some extent, but will never see it as anything more than a cheap runaround. The plastics are useless, the stereo is useless, the build is nothing to write home about, the engine is noisy and although I've got used to the driving position it still doesn't inspire me. I've asked the garage to check the suspension and he says it's fine -- I think it's horribly vague and sloppy. There *has* to be worn out parts under there somewhere but no-one seems to be able to identify them.

It has, at least, been reliable.
Ford Focus - speaker replacement -- surely this can't be true? - cheddar

My 2002 Mondeo speakers were fine, even when I replaced the head unit with a good Pioneer unit the sound was great, the speakers did not need upgrading. Likewise my 2007 Focus ST sound system is great, better than our BMW 1 Series for that matter.

Sounds like Primeradriver's Focus is faulty rather than typical.