G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted

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Fri 23 Jul 2010 12:14
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - Ben 10

The officer invovled and recorded pushing Ian Tomlinson over at the G20 protest has avoided prosecution by the CPS.

The least the MPS can do now is ask that officer to resign. And he should do so as a moral gesture to the Tomlinson family.

That way he will not leave under a cloud and his pension will remain intact. Remember he has avoided some serious charges that could have seen him put in prison. Which would of seen him lose his job, have a criminal record and his family stripped of any benefits.

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Sat 24 Jul 2010 13:19
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - OG

Once again the Met get away with using the public as punch bags.

This officer doesn't deserve to get off that easily, he should be in prison, he escaped being disciplined by retiring on a previous occasion he shouldn't be allowed to do the same again but I expect he will.

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Sat 24 Jul 2010 13:29
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - Armitage Shanks {p}

Somebody has asked, in a letter to another newspaper, whether a member of the public who had committed a similar assault on a policeman, who subsequently died, would also have not been prosecuted? I think a presecution would have been inevitable!

The officer in question also has a chequered history of inapropriate behaviour, with the Met and with another force which he subsequently left, to return to the Met.

Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 24/07/2010 at 13:31

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Sat 24 Jul 2010 16:05
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - Ben 10

I didn't know he had retired and came back. How old IS he?

I thought he might have had an unblemished record and gave him the benefit of the doubt. If he has a chequered history, then he deserved to have the book thrown at him.

If that past is true then I can only see the punishment from his employers being the sack. As he evaded prison, it can be the only alternative now.

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Sat 24 Jul 2010 16:32
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - Armitage Shanks {p}

PC Harwood is 43. A report on his recent employment record says

"The police face questions over PC Harwood’s history in two forces. A complaint was made against him in 2001 at the Met involving a “failure of duty” during a traffic incident. He retired from the Met on health grounds but in 2003 joined Surrey Police.

It was told that the allegation against PC Harwood had been substantiated but no sanction imposed. When he transferred back to the Met, Surrey did not inform it that an allegation of “excessive force” had been investigated but found to be unsubstantiated."

Do I hear the sound of the bottom of a barrel being sc***ed?

Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 24/07/2010 at 16:34

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Sat 24 Jul 2010 17:53
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - Ben 10

He was retired on ill health from the Met, yet was well enough to get into Surrey?

Then was able to get back into the Met. If you are retired, that should be it, shouldn't it. Or is this a cloak for officers to evade prosecution. It appears with him, on a couple of occasions at least.

Seems a good way to "get out of jail free" in the police. Get caught out, retire on medical grounds.

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Sat 31 Jul 2010 18:11
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - Collos25

Its typical of the corruption and graft that exists in the UK ,look at the man who led the country into two illegal wars killing all those soldiers and innocent people.My late father was in the UK police and he was glad to get out because of the corruption it hasn't changed.As a now retired consultant the underhand deals done in Government both national and local are just unbelievable.

This police officer should be charged with murder and those who allowed him to work should face charges of mansluaghter.

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Sun 1 Aug 2010 10:45
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - midlifecrisis

" he was glad to get out because of the corruption it hasn't changed."

Daily Mail-esq nonsense. The Police are now subject of the most stringent pro-active anti-corruption measures ever. Many Professional Standards departments are bigger than response shifts. Police computers have key recorders, e-mail monitoring, pro-active stings.

This Officer had two complaints in 10 years. With that record I'd say he never left the station. All the criminal underclass of the world love to make complaints because it muddies the waters and can get them a few quid. The vast majority are entirely malicious.

It would seem that many wish to deny a Police Officer then same rights as everybody else. CPS are only too happy to hang a Police Officer with an offence that would never see the light of day for anybody else. Yet it was the CPS (not the Police) that decided not to charge. They messed up by not going for an assault charge within six months. I suspect that they did this because the Political pressure was there for something more serious. ALL the pot-mortems were inconclusive (despite what you read in the Mail).

In my opinion his initial baton strike was over the top. But I wasn't there and don't not what was in his mind. I do know the feeling of having so called 'respectable' people throw human waste and urine filled condoms in your face (on top of the snot filled spit and paving slabs they like to project), then have themselves be interviewed in their sunday finest talking about Police 'over reaction.

Edited by midlifecrisis on 01/08/2010 at 10:46

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Sun 1 Aug 2010 14:46
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - Ben 10

" he was glad to get out because of the corruption it hasn't changed."

"Daily Mail-esq nonsense."

" I do know the feeling of having so called 'respectable' people throw human waste and urine filled condoms in your face (on top of the snot filled spit and paving slabs they like to project), then have themselves be interviewed in their sunday finest talking about Police 'over reaction."

My heart bleeds ! If you can't stand the heat................

We all know in situations like this the police close ranks or take early retirement. The easy way out. He should fall on his asp and do the Tomlinson family a favour and resign.

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Sun 1 Aug 2010 19:47
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - Collos25

I actually read my report in the DT.

If you think the system is clean may a politely suggest you clean your rose tinted glasses

With the shananigans that have occured in the last few years in the MET everything is clean isn't it.

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Tue 3 Aug 2010 12:47
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - OG

Yes I'm sure if I pushed an innocent man to the ground and he died the CPS would faff around for 15 months and then let me off. The CPS are too soft on the police, I don't want to deny any police officer the same rights as everybody else, I want to them bound by the same laws that govern everybody else. This is necessary from the police point of view as it would restore some of the credibility and trust they've lost.

The police need not just to be accountable but to be seen to be accountable.

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Mon 23 Aug 2010 03:19
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - chenchen21621

It would seem that many wish to deny a Police Officer then same rights as everybody else. [CPS are only too happy to hang a Police Officer with an offence that would never see the light of day for anybody else. Yet it was the CPS (not the Police) that decided not to charge. They messed up by not going for an assault charge within six months. I suspect that they did this because the Political pressure was there for something more serious. ALL the pot-mortems were inconclusive (despite what you read in the Mail). In my opinion his initial baton strike was over the top. But I wasn't there and don't not what was in his mind. I do know the feeling of having so called 'respectable' people throw human waste and urine filled condoms in your face (on top of the snot filled spit and paving slabs they like to project), then have themselves be interviewed in their sunday finest talking about Police 'over reaction.

Edited by BorisTheSpider on 23/08/2010 at 11:08

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Wed 25 Aug 2010 15:27
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - Armitage Shanks {p}

Pathologist is clearly not the sharpest scalpel in the operating theatre!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11081539

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Thu 26 Aug 2010 16:53
G20 Policeman not to be prosecuted - OG

This idea that anyone wants to deny PC Hayward his rights seems to have become a bit of a meme. It's not true, nobody wants to see him denied his rights; we want the family of Ian Tomlinson to have their right to justice. The PM's weren't by themselves inconclusive it's just that two of them came to a different conclusion than the Home Office Pathologist, Dr Patel, who even at the time was under suspicion regarding the quality of his work. The CPS decided this conflict of evidence meant there was no likelihood of a conviction but isn't that a matter for a jury to decide?

The Attorney General has expressed misgivings about the case, this is not just a matter of the great unwashed wanting to see a copper hung out to dry. It's about the police, especially the Met, recovering their trust and credibility. The fact that right wing papers like the Mail and the Telegraph, which once upon a time would've supported the police through thick and thin, are joining in the condemnation of this obvious whitewash should be ringing alarm bells.

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