Diesil or petrol - coasting - abba

Is coasting harm the diesil or petrol car ?

edited to `coasting`

Edited by oilrag on 07/07/2010 at 11:41

Diesil or petrol - Casting - oilrag

Welcome to the Forum abba ;-)

Could you give us more detail please and explain what you mean by "casting"

Regards

oilrag

Diesil or petrol - Casting - Collos25
I think it should read "Does coasting damage diesel or petrol engines"
Diesil or petrol - Casting - oilrag

That`s what I thought too Andy. If abba comes back and confirms it i`ll alter the title.

oilrag

Diesil or petrol - Casting - Peter D

Good thinking Andy.

Regards Peter

Diesil or petrol - Casting - abba

Hi

Yes that what i meant, to put the gear on neutral

title edited for you, abba

Edited by oilrag on 07/07/2010 at 11:42

Diesil or petrol - Casting - Peter.N.

Probably not - as long as the engine doesn't stop and you loose your power steering etc, but diesels use little on no fuel when you are going down hill with the throttle closed and I would suspect that modern petrol engines are the same.

Diesil or petrol - Casting - bathtub tom

All modern engines cut off the fuel on a trailing throttle, above a certain revs. Lets face it, why do you need fuel going to the engine when you lift off?

A good engine software would not allow the driver to notice this, mine puts the fuelling back on at 1200 RPM

Diesil or petrol - Casting - abba

Thanks guys very helpfull comments

Diesil or petrol - Casting - Peter D

Although coasting is not deemed to be illegal as such, coasting can be regarded as not being in control of the vehicle. I recall a bus driver being prosecuted for this. There was a police inspector on the bus in civies. Regards Peter

Diesil or petrol - Casting - oilrag

I`m afraid I have the bad habit of coasting. Never had driving lessons and self taught, but knew enough to not do it in the driving test.

I was more or less cured of it though by owning a Fiat Doblo a few years ago. This had a tendency to cut out if you coasted and once did it as I entered as right angle bend - with a bollard in the centre of the road I was turning into.

A small steering wheel on the Doblo... it caught me out and took full (admittedly somewhat feeble :-) upper body strength to get the lock on and just miss the bollard - as the engine cut and the power steering ceased.

oilrag

Diesel or petrol - coasting - timp

If you de-clutch or shift into neutral, the engine will use fuel to maintain idle speed (and run your power steering, air-conditioning, charge the battery, power lights and electrical systems and pump oil and coolant).

Modern cars will use little or no fuel going downhill when in gear because the engine speed is maintained above idle and so no fuel is required, and all your ancillaries are powered by the car's momentum or gravity.

So it might not harm the engine, but it will harm your wallet!

Diesel or petrol - coasting - angryman

I wouldn't have thought it is quite so clear cut.

1) If you have an engine without any electronic control system to throttle back when the throttle demand < equivalent crankshaft speed, then you will lose MORE energy by NOT coasting. This is because the throttle is still running at idle therefore, fuel is still flowing and the engine and the transmission act as a brake.

2) It is true in modern engines that the control system feedback will effectively reduce fuel flow for the condition where throttle demand < equivalent crankshaft speed and the 'surplus' energy can be transferred to ancillary components. However, the energy transferred to the engine is transferred through the transmission and this is a source of energy loss. The frequency response of the engine is non-linear. I would suggest it is not as simple as the fuel flow is switched off, therefore efficiency is increased because you can run ancillaries.

The only way to truly find out which is more efficient in the 2nd case is to find some real recorded data from testing. Don't suppose anyone has got any?

Edited by angryman on 09/07/2010 at 18:36

Diesil or petrol - coasting - 1litregolfeater

I have the bad habit as well. It's only bad because it might take a moment to put it in gear were something unexpected to happen. I know modern cars probably use less petrol if you keep it in gear, but coasting seems much kinder to the engine and transmission. So I shall persist in my bad habit.

Diesil or petrol - coasting - oilrag

Same here, but only in a straight line!

Diesil or petrol - coasting - Peter D

Coasting too far. I remember many years ago 1971 from memory a guy coasting down Birdlip hill, past Painswick golf course, he was in an Austin Maxi and he was not only coasting down the long steep hill he turned the engine off. At the bottom of the hill is a right hand bend and a walled garden of a Convent.. You've got it, no vacuum left, went straight on and entered the garden. He must have thought he had gone to heaven when the Nuns came out. Regards Peter