Cliff,
What is this????
Matt35
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Cliff, What is this???? Matt35
You mean, what is Red Line Water Wetter?
I've no idea, I'd never heard of it until 2 days ago, and then a few hours after reading an advertisement for it, I saw the question asking where you could get it.
Sounds bizarre to me. Water is pretty wet already, and radiators have worked well for years without it. Do I need it?
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From the Oxford English Dictionary:
wetting agent:
(noun) a chemical that can be added to a liquid to reduce its surface tension and make it more effective in spreading over and penetrating surfaces.
Any liquids ability to wet the surface it is in contact with depends on that liquids surface tension. Basically it is a measure of how well the liquid contacts the solid surface at a microscopic scale. Improving the wetting ability of the liquid improves its ability to flow over that surface and its ability to transfer heat to or from that surface.
It's a physics term and is not simply that liquids are wet. Water wetter improves the waters ability to move heat out of the engine (especially around hot areas) and in racing can allow the use of smaller cooling systems, thus saving weight. Road cars are designed to use water/glycol, so should never need it, unless operating at borderline conditions for some reason.
Water wetter has no influence on the boiling point of the water, so a minimum amount of antifreeze is still required in road cars (I use 25%). It does however prevent corrosion so can be used with water only in racing applications.
Personally, I use it to help my cooling system keep the turbo bearing temperature down, hopefully prolonging its life (up to 120k so far).
Read the tech info in the link under Andy Ss post.
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www.redlineoil.com/redlineoil/wwti.htm
"Doubles the wetting capacity of water"
Really?!
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"Doubles the wetting capacity of water"
Just use twice as much water..........costs nowt.
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There is a UK distributor in the Grantham area who will refer you to a local distributor. In my case this was a man working from a residential address in Thornaby, Stockton on Tees.
A very helpful and sincere chap. He said that it had had dramatic results with cars that overheated during towing.
However, it did not solve the problem with my Monterey, which was simply "me versus the law of physics". The truck was fitted with a single-core radiator as standard which was hopelessly inadequate. Even fitting twin 13" Kenlowes made no difference. Fitting a twin-core did. I can tow two tonnes at silly-ish speeds up long motorway drags and the gauge never moves.
So I don't know if it works...
HTH
rg
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hi
how can a water based additive make the water wetter
surely agriculture would benefit from an additive they can add to theire spraying machinery to make the water wetter therefore increasing the growth of theire crops
sounds silly if you ask me
where does this chemical go when its been used down a drain i suppose.
another water life killer
James Stephenson
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Could be wrong, but I think ordinary washing up liquid (or one of it's constituents) makes water wetter. It does this by reducing the surface tension of the water, allowing it to reach places that dry water can't.
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I think it raises the boiling point of the water so the engine won't overheat so easily. I would of thought a high concentration of glycol antifreeze would do the same. Is there more to it than this?
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Dry water?
no doubt invented by students, for students.
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Actually wetters are used in agricultural sprays. By reducing surface tension they help to produce a smaller and more consistent droplet size which increases the ability of the droplet to adhere particularly to micro-rough surfaces and hairy leaves. Commonly used with paraquat (Gramoxone) and glyphosate (Roundup), which enables the rate of active ingredient to be cut perhaps by up to half, thus reducing pollution. The polluting effect of such products is minimal compared to the amount of detergent, phosphate etc used domestically for example. have you seen how much shampoo a teenage girl can get through? Of course there are various types of wetters - ionic and anionic for example. However a squirt of washing up liquid has much the same effect, but in addition contains emulsifiers to break down fatty and greasy deposits.
This is a really interesting subject, I could go on for hours but it is time for my medicine.Trust me, I know these things.
MGs
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Right, the ivy's getting a double strength dose of weedkiller plus a dash of washing up liquid at the weekend, then.
Must keep it off the car paintwork, though (motoring connection).
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MGspannerman's spot on about the agri sprays and water wetters, I have a bottle in the store and a proportion is added to most agri sprays I use.
I think I also have a small jar of magic liquid that make paint "wetter" for good spray results.
Just a shame there is nothing like it to make tattes car better.
;-)
MM
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Ah, now ivy can be a bit of a problem. There are a number of weeds that have characteristics that make them much less susceptible to even glyphoste. Woody species and waxy leaved things like ivy and bindweed are difficult. A good trick is to mix it with a bit of wallpaper paste or even flour to make it sticky and then cut the stem and paste it on so that you get good contact and wallop, straight into the plant's internals.
Yes, be careful with these products around paintwork and also rubber, tyres etc. Some of them are solvent based and MiddleMans sprayer for example will most likely have neoprene seals. I promise to talk about cars next time.
MGs
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"cut the stem and paste it on so that you get good contact and wallop, straight into the plant's internals."
Trouble is, the stem's on the other side of the fence.
I'll have to wait until the neighbours' car has disappeared (motoring connection) then sneak round and do the business.
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Washing up liquid in the radiator might be interesting!!!
Would it boost the effect if added to weak beer?
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Keep washing up liquid away from cars. Salt content = corrosion, removes wax.
madf
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Keep washing up liquid away from cars. Salt content = corrosion, removes wax. madf
Question for the scientists among you -
Surely the salt content of road spray on a wet morning when the gritters have been out is far higher than any amount of washing up liquid
VW Bora - nice car, shame about the dealers
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