any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Tommk4

My first car, an old 89 escort, has been sat in my parents driveway, much to their embarassment, for a few years now because I have had several newer cars but just cant bring myself to sell "maggie".

Now, I live about 80 miles away form there but have decided to put the car back on the road, the problem is, of course, that it first needs to be taxed and MOT'd. For it to pass its MOT it will need a bit of work, but I'd rather have it done at my local garage as I know and trust them.

The car is not dangerous to drive, there is little rust and everthing works as it should, it just needs a few fresh bush's and a bit of bodywork...I have been told it is legal to drive a car to an MOT test centre without tax or MOT as long as you have an MOT booked. So what I want to know is, can I drive the car the 80 miles to my local MOT centre or is there a limit to the distance you travel?

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any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Diamond

As long as you have pre-booked the MOT and have insurance for the car it is OK. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108

As for the distance to the MOT station, I feel that would be a bit of a grey area, you would have to convince the authorities that that was the nearest place to have an MOT which may be pushing it if you don't live out in the wilds.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Tommk4

Thats what I thought...It is a bit of a grey area and Mr Traffic cop might be inclined to think I am extracting the urine if I try to explain that I am driving 80 miles to get an MOT!

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - LucyBC
There is no distance limit but the vehicle has to be roadworthy - tyres, lights etc - or you can be pulled up and prosecuted on a safety offence.

The guidance would be to fix it where it is or put it on a trailer.
any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Collos25

How do you know the vehicle is safe when its been stood for such a long time,faulty tyres,brake fluid etc the problems are numerous and you want to put other lives at risk by driving this vehicle do the wise thing and use a transporter,

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Tommk4

Thanks all... Andy I know the vehicle is safe because I have reasonable mechanical knowledge and can tell what it needs for an MOT, of course If I was to drive it the 80 miles I would service it fully first and give it new brakes, tyres etc etc...I appreciate your concern, but I have got a few brain cells and I'm not about to jump into a car which is likley to spear off into incoming traffic, or something similar.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Collos25

But you are prepared to drive a car without MOT therefore nulifying any insurance without road tax 80 miles is that clever or stupid.As said before trailer it and be safe to you and other road users.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - LucyBC

As I have explained many times the lack of an MOT does not mean you are not insured. Come back to me if you need guidance on this.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Collos25

The only time a insurance certificate is valid without an mot is when you travel to a prebooked appointment for an mot test or retest.To use a car when not complying with all the road traffic act deems do make any part of that act invalid.I suggest you check with an insurance adjuticator or the police you can explain all you want but in a case where the insurance want to get out of paying they will.I will not bother with an mot next year and when I am stopped I will tell the authorities you said it was ok.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Collos25
Insurance companies are obliged by law to honour any third party claims irrespective of whether your car is MOT'd.

However, where claims are made in these circumstances the companies sue the insured for the cost of the claim.

From the insurance omnudsman
any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Collos25

What Happens if I Drive my Car Without an MOT? If you do drive a vehicle without a valid MOT it will invalidate your insurance, and if you have an accident or are stopped by the police, you will be liable to face prosecution for MOT non-compliance. The only time you may drive a car without a valid MOT is if you are driving to a pre-arranged test appointment or to a garage that will carry out repairs that are required for your vehicle to pass the MOT test.

From the Governments own web site

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Tommk4

Troll....an especially ignorant troll too. You don't know the facts, so don't call me stupid. Infact, I believe that by doing so you are revealing your own stupidity.

Thanks everyone else for your advice. END OF CONVERSATION

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - MikeTorque

Best to put it on a breakdown truck/trailer and have them take it along to the garage for you, no issues then regarding insurance and no MOT.

Edited by MikeTorque on 19/06/2010 at 23:53

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - LucyBC

What Happens if I Drive my Car Without an MOT? If you do drive a vehicle without a valid MOT it will invalidate your insurance, and if you have an accident or are stopped by the police, you will be liable to face prosecution for MOT non-compliance. The only time you may drive a car without a valid MOT is if you are driving to a pre-arranged test appointment or to a garage that will carry out repairs that are required for your vehicle to pass the MOT test.

From the Governments own web site

Again not.

And this is quoted by numerous ignoramouses but none of which are government sources.

It seems to have originated in this location

http://www.nopenaltypoints.co.uk/NoMOTAndThePenalties.html

which is frequently inaccurate in relation to road traffic law and was copied word for word as fact on to numerous other websites including Pistonheads and Yahoo Answers.

It is wrong.

There are currently two insurers (to my knowledge) who have attempted to include "no MOT, no insurance" in their terms and conditions and I have successfully sued both of them on the issue. I have also reported one of them to the Ombudsman and I understand they are now changing their wording.

In all other policies the vehicle is required to be "roadworthy". An MOT may be an indication as to whether a vehicle is "roadworthy" or not -- and it will certainly not be roadworthy if it has failed one -- but an MOT which has run out does not indicate that a vehicle is not roadworthy, nor indeed does an MOT (which may be up to a year old) ensure that a vehicle is roadworthy.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - LucyBC
Insurance companies are obliged by law to honour any third party claims irrespective of whether your car is MOT'd.

However, where claims are made in these circumstances the companies sue the insured for the cost of the claim.

From the insurance omnudsman


From the insurance omnudsman

Actually not - From Answerbank and the bloke is as ignorat (sic) as you are.

www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Insurance/Question500899.h...l
any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - LucyBC
The only time a insurance certificate is valid without an mot is when you travel to a prebooked appointment for an mot test or retest.To use a car when not complying with all the road traffic act deems do make any part of that act invalid.I suggest you check with an insurance adjuticator or the police you can explain all you want but in a case where the insurance want to get out of paying they will.I will not bother with an mot next year and when I am stopped I will tell the authorities you said it was ok.

Driving without an MOT is not OK and I never said it was. You commit an offence if you drive without one. It's not endorseable and it will probably cost you around £120 in the courts if you are stopped - a higher figure is possible but that is the level at which the mags are operating at the moment.

But the lack of an MOT does not invalidate insurance. If the accident results from a defect that the MOT should have picked up then it is true that the insurance company will fight on the issue, but that is the case if any vehicle is criminally defective whether there is an MOT or not, or indeed whether it is required or not.I

If the vehicle is roadworthy under common law the insurer cannot refuse to indemnify. The main effect of no MOT on an insurance claim is that if your car is written off then the amount it is worth will be adjusted to reflect the lower value it has because no MOT was in place at the time but they will still meet the claim.

I'm a lawyer but I employ several ACIIs and we settle numerous such cases every month so please do not contradict me on subjects where your knowledge is clearly limited.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Collos25

I always thought the UK had soliciters and barristers and lawyers were from American.Living in Germany I may be wrong but my cousin who is a QC seems to agree with me and why should I not condradict you its the basis of UK law for every solicter does not win its case nor does every barrister .

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Armstrong Sid
I always thought the UK had soliciters and barristers and lawyers were from American

Never heard that one before. I live in the UK and always have done, and I've never thought that lawyers were only from the US. Living in Germany I think you are indeed wrong.

I am also aware that in certain types of legal document there is very little punctuation.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Sofa Spud

If you decide to drive the 80 miles, make sure you do it in one go. If you stop at a cafe on the way and are unlucky enough to arouse police suspicion , then that first part of your journey would not have been to the MOT station but to the cafe and thus illegal!

Edited by Sofa Spud on 21/06/2010 at 12:04

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - dieseldogg

I have in the past driven without a valid MOT, reasoning that the issue was the roadworthiness of the vehicle, plus logically extrapolating from the MOT's own statement that possision of an MOT does not make a vehicle roadworthy, the morror image is thus that a vehicle can indeed be roadworthy without an MOT.

This logical conclusion was validated when a representive from a big brand name insurance company absolutly catogorically stated that an MOT was not needed for insurance to be vaild, as part of a work related training course. fact.

Latterly I would have ensured that my vehicle was prepared by a bono fide garage of good repute for the test & I keep the reciepts.Previousley I done the mechanicing.

In my days of DIY mechanicing I never had a MOT test failure ( Government run centres over here btw)

But even more latterly I am a good boy and get her MOT'ed on time

sigh

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Cliff Pope

I always thought the UK had soliciters and barristers and lawyers were from American.Living in Germany I may be wrong but my cousin who is a QC seems to agree with me and why should I not condradict you its the basis of UK law for every solicter does not win its case nor does every barrister .

You need to tell these people then:

http://www.uklawyers.co.uk/cms/section/homepage.html

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Abunda

Since you have the pre-booked the MOT and have insurance for the car it is consider proper.

For further caution just ask a permission from traffic officers.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Sofa Spud

Re insurance. Don't insurance policies usually say that claims will be invalid if the car is not being driving in compliance with the law, which would mean that unless you're on your way to a pre-booked MOT test, if the car's MOT has expired, you're not insured?

There may be some legal loopholes but I wouldn't fancy the chances of arguing them successfully against a big insurer when push comes to shove.

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:....""I have in the past driven without a valid MOT"".

And in the past I've driven an untaxed vehicle - but it was a hired van and I didn't notice its tax was out of date until I'd reached my destination. What sort of a van hire company hires out untaxed vans, I ask yer?

Edited by Sofa Spud on 21/06/2010 at 19:52

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - LucyBC

As discussed previously no MOT will not invalidate insurance. However the vehicle does have to be insured whenever it is on the road (whether being driven to a pre-booked test or not).

any - Driving without MOT - what are the restrictions - dieseldogg

With a farm (or two) of land to lose one was/is ALWAYS insured every which way

Edited by dieseldogg on 22/06/2010 at 09:29