E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - OldSkoOL

I'm very confused

I'm after something fun, yet slightly practical (basically back seats for the kids). I drove a 330i Auto Coupe yesterday. Brilliant engine, feels quick but i have a dilema.

I thought it was quick until i looked down and realised i wasn't even getting past about 5.5k RPM, keeping within legal speeds. Kick down and it just comes alive. But i wonder, with the absence of a turbo, will i ever get into the upper limits of the powerband that often. As soon as you kick down you have to stop because your going too fast.

This is my dilema. I do 10k miles per year. So i think i should go for the ED 330i, quicker and more economical 330i 57 plate onwards. Now my main questions are, i'm a private buyer and will put 10k of savings into this with a p/x - to make up around 20k. So i want to be absolutely certain i'm going to get good reliability and lower bills. Would you class the 330i being naturally aspirated less complicated and more robust?

Now the 2nd part of the dilemma. The 330i's are fairly rare. I could get a slighter higher mileage 335d for the same price. The 335d being twin turbo charges is probably much quicker on the go without having to get right up into the power band. It will give about the same MPG as the 330i, i seem to have more choice to buy albeit higher miles but what really bothers me is the complicated nature of modern diesels, especially with TWO turbo's and i also loose the sweet petrol engine note. Bearing in mind i do about 10k per year, i dont want to soot the lock the 335d.

Please add your opinions

Thanks,

Edited by OldSkoOL on 26/04/2010 at 13:33

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - Andy P

Q1 - Probably not, unless you put the gearbox in sport mode where it'll hold a lower gear for longer.

Q2. BMW are average for reliability - there are some well known problems (swirl flaps on the 320, cracking alloys, mainly 19"). Servicing isn't cheap - "prestige" brand, presige servicing (unless you go independant).

Q3. The 335d is an absolute hoot - I've had mine nearly 12 months and it still brings a smile to my face when you drive it "enthusiastically". The combination of power and auto box means you can concentrate on driving without every having to worry about whether you're in the wrong gear, which is very useful.

Are you buying independant or Used-Approved?

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - OldSkoOL

Thanks

I would prefer to buy from Used-Approved if they could be reasonable on prices.

Problem is finding one now :)

Edited by OldSkoOL on 27/04/2010 at 14:46

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - idle_chatterer

Do you particularly want an auto ?

I have a manual 330d ED (the 245PS version) and it's a hoot, hardly slower than the 335d according to the official figures - 0-62 in 6.2s for my Touring versus 6.1s for the equivalent 335d. Possibly a bit cheaper than the 335d to buy and possibly rather more economical (I get 45+mpg although I do spend a lot of time on the motorway). IIRC the auto 330d Touring (the coupe/saloon are quicker) takes 6.3s 0-62 so again it's no slouch.

At the risk of causing offence to 335d owners (with their undoubtedly brilliant engines) the 330d engine is now a generation ahead of the 335d and makes me question the rationale for choosing it, I think that a newer iteration of the 335d engine is now finding its way into the F10 5 series and facelifted E92 3 series Coupe with 305PS but possibly a single turbo?

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - Andy P

The new engine is rumoured to still be twin turbo, developing 306bhp, and there's also supposed to be a V8 twin-turbo diesel as well.

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - gadgie

I bought a 330i coupe new in 2007. It has cost me one service and 4 new 17 inch non runflats at 18000 miles which made the ride bearable. N o warranty claims,29-30mpg everyday and an exceptional 37.1 on one long run. Lack of turbo and other potential diesel problems were a factor in deciding to stick with petrol since I do 8000 miles a year and hope to keep the car 10years. There is no sport mode ,only tiptronic, which I rarely use. Steering is a bit heavy, and front seats set too high to allow good view of instruments

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - Avant

I think you're right to be bothered about the complexity of modern diesels. Buying used, a petrol sounds much less of a gamble unless you do a really big mileage, which you don't.

Keep looking around for the right one. Independent specialists like James Paul of Horsham, where I got my Z3 from (seven years old but immaculately prepared for sale), can be just as good as main dealers and a bit cheaper.

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - legacylad
In Jan of this year I bought a 330Ci convertible. It was a private sale. '04 reg with 2 owners from new. 42k miles. 6 speed manual, leather, memory seats. Change from £10k. I also drive slightly less than 10k miles pa so I never even considered a diesel. Too many things to go wrong (although I stand to be corrected) and I have always preferred to drive a petrol.
Wonderful smooth engine with sufficient performance to get past the odd caravan.
When looking on AT a few days ago I noticed a private sale '05 330Ci convertible for around £12k which seemed like a fair price, providing it is a good 'un.
I highly recommend the 330Ci petrol.
Good luck with your search.
E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - OldSkoOL

I've just realised that the new 330i engine, the 272bhp version although more power and torque and MPG and lower co2 uses the new direction injection engine, with high pressure fuel rail and and injectors.

It can be plagued by the same unburn't fuel deposits on the injectors and high levels of nox which require an EGR.

So, it's like have a expensive diesel in a petrol. :(

I've already read a couple of threads with a few different 330i ED owners (272bhp) saying how they have had up to 5k of warranty work already. Not very encouraging.

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - Andy P

I think you can probably find a few cars like that for any make/model, so I don't think it's really an issue. I can't rembmber anything like this on the BMW forum I frequent, and those I have seen all seem to originate in the US? Differences in the fuel, perhaps?

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - OldSkoOL

Suprise Suprise i am going to try a few 335d's this weekend with a view at buying 1 if the negotiations prove successful.

I thought, what the hell, i was really looking forward to returning to petrol but for the same prices i can get a 335d, specc-ed well, with similar co2 and mpg but a bit more rapid on the go.

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - celsius

I appreciate that this is late in the day but i had to respond to your suggestion regarding the purchase of a vehicle from xxxx. I purchased a car from them in February this year. I wont go into details but so far i have had to spend over £1000 in repairs.

After 4 weeks of driving the vehicle, i went to them with a snagging list. Now according to their customer charter there is a "30 day settling in period" during which time they will fix any problems. the snagging list i had was not unreasonable - fixing minor problems with catches, locking mechanisms, and knocking noises from brakes and squeaks, jerky acceleration.

However, everytime i tried to get hold of a salesman to discuss these issues i was fobbed off with the same excuse - "hes with a customer" or "he's on the phone" - i was down there when i purchased the vehicle and know that they arent that busy.

When eventually presented them with the snagging list i was completely shocked by their reaction - incredibly defensive and rude. In addition, i had two of their so called mechanics come down and both salesman crowding around me.

Long story short, i got the car back and only a few of the very minor issues had been resolved. I took the car for an independent evaluation at Munich Legends and they told me a different story; brakes were non genuine BMW hence the knocking and disks were below minimum wear, faulty NOX sensor, faulty temperature sensor on exhaust, rear tyres completely worn on the inside, front control arm bushes are knackered.

Of course i wasnt going to go back to xxxx with the list because these are things that should have been picked up by them in the first place - given the fact their web site states they have the latest diagnostic equipment. If they couldnt even detect the faults with the car then what faith have i got in their ability to repair the vehicle.

Please do not buy a car from these people under any circumstances or if you do i would suggest having the vehicle examined thouroughly by a trusted BMW dealer. Personally i found Munich Legends a brilliant dealership to deal with from a servicing perspective. Professional, courteous, and most importantly knowledgeable.

Edited by Avant on 15/04/2012 at 15:45

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - Avant

Welcome to the forum, Celsius - but I'm afraid that we can't allow 'naming and shaming' of individual dealers on a public forum, as we would be at risk of legal action for defamation.

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - OldSkoOL
As this has appeared again I will update to say I ended up buying the 335d.

Still have it so that's saying something. It's just quick whatever gear you are in. 330i was still a great car, best n/a they do in manual this side of the m3.

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - Ginger81

Celsius, i bought from said dealer end of March this year and am unfortunately going through a similar process. After having had the car for less than 30 days i had three warning lights go off. They inspected the car, sorted one fault out and reset the other warnings saying that nothing had come up.

Three warning lights came up last week. I have taken the car to a local garage and am awaiting their verdict on it before contacting the dealer. Interestingly, a host of codes have come up and the mechanic asked whether the car had ever been in an accident...

Got my fingers crossed, but not holding my breath.

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - qwertysimon
We cannot mention dealer but would I need to read a Raymond Chandler novel ifnInhad to wait ther for a while?

Was thinking of buying from that dealership.

My dilemma is between 5 yr old 335 se or 330 se coupe. Is twin turbo expensive double trouble waiting to happen?
E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - Avant

I shouldn't think there's much between them: more to the point is how they have been driven by previous owners. You can't of course know this, although a full BMW service history and average mileage will help. I was lucky with my Z3 which was seven years old when I got it in 2008 with 70,000 on the clock.

Try to get a good long test drive and thus a feel for the overall condition the car is in.

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - Collos25

Must have plenty of money to waste both on petrol and insurance my son has a 330 boy does it move I do not thing you would have your licence long in the UK ,the downside it uses petrol at such a rate you need your own oil well.

E92 BMW 330i - BMW 330i buying advice please - BMWbuyer

Hi Celsius,

Just wondering... I know the dealer cannot be named, but can you tell me if they are in Kent? I thinking of buying from a large dealer there and am somewhat worried you may be meaning them!

Thanks