Nissan Note - Handling? - madcow

I have a Nissan Note on Motorbility. We find the handling on a duel carriageway awfull. It wonders all over the place. I have contacted Nissan who cannot find a fault (typical)

Has anyone else had this kind of trouble with this car or is it just mine?

Nissan Note - Handling? - ohsoslow

My wife has a 59 plate Note and I have not noticed that the handling is particularly bad. I assume you have checked the tyre pressures.

Perhaps I allow it more leeway as I normally drive an MX-5, so most family cars are not in the same league as far as handling goes, but I have never considered it bad. In fact I quite enjoy driving it in a slightly more restrained manner than I would in the MX-5.

Do you normally drive it fully laden or is the problem apparent whatever the load? I recently drove ours to the airport on dual carriageways, country roads etc with three adults and associated baggage and didn't notice anything untoward.

Nissan Note - Handling? - b308

Its also worth bearing in mind that its a tall, thin vehicle like the Skoda Roomster and I've found the Roomie much more susceptable to side winds than the Fabia Estate that preceeded it.

Nissan Note - Handling? - Menders

Had mine over 3 years now and have found the handling to be very good and not at all vague. I would echo the OP's comment that it is quite high sided and so is a tad susceptible to side winds but I've never found it to be an issue in practice.

This may sound stupid, but if it has been like it from new then check the dampers to ensure any chocks inserted whilst it was being transported have been removed.

Nissan Note - Handling? - madcow

Tyres checked weekly. We have learnt they are prone to being a 1lb or two out it effects the steering, but not to the extent ours does.

The steering is only effected not all the time only most if you get my drift. We have even had the tracking looked at. Not happy with it at all.

Car going back to Nissan for an independant check next week. Will mention what you have said menders!

Thanks for all your replys much appreciated.

Nissan Note - Handling? - ohsoslow

As a matter of interest MC, would you let us know the results of the check please.

Having re-read many of the reviews on the car, including HJ's of course, nobody mentions that the handling is nasty, so it would be useful to know if the problem is just with your car or maybe something that could show up on others in time.

Edited by ohsoslow on 14/04/2010 at 19:16

Nissan Note - Handling? - oilrag

I followed a Note for a while coming up from Sheffield this Morning on the M1. It was noticable from behind how narrow the tyres seemed and how wide the track was. (compared with cars around it)

My guess is the handling`s down to a short wheelbase as well.

It looked stable enough though from a following position - but my wife commented on the above factors.

Please don`t take this the wrong way, I`m not being critical- it`s just an observation.

All the best

Edited by oilrag on 14/04/2010 at 19:35

Nissan Note - Handling? - bazza

I owned one of these, a 1.4. Yes, it is susceptible to side winds, I did notice that. But not excessively so. The handling for a higher than normal vehicle is actually quite tidy, it's only when really pushing it that its limitations show up. it certainly wasn't enough of a problem to worry about.

Cheers

Nissan Note - Handling? - madcow

Today the car goes in to Nissan. Will be back if any findings.

By the way our car is never laiden. There is only three of us in the family. Which only approx once a week will there ever be 3 to a car.

Nissan Note - Handling? - madcow

Guess what. They said they could find nothing. Typical. BUT they said they made some minor adjustments to the steering. Guess what its still behaves like its on marbles on a duel carriageway.

Looks like I got to poke up with it :(

Thanks all for your help

Nissan Note - Handling? - ohsoslow

Thanks for keeping us up to date MC, sorry the problem has not been resolved.

Only clutching at straws, being no expert..... have the tyres been changed to a make that possibly doesn't suit the car?

Did they look at the rear suspension? Many cars now have alignment adjustments for the rear as well as the front, whether the Note has I do not know.

Back to my knowledge of MX-5s, apparently many brand new cars when checked at speciallist tracking centres have tracking that is a fair way out. A completely different beast to the Note of course but if the rear alignment was totally wrong this may upset the whole car. Someone on here will know better than me I expect.

Nissan Note - Handling? - madcow

Can't stand the handling no more. Car going back to where it came from. Ordered a C3 Picasso fingers crossed we a ok this time.

Thanks for everyones responces.

Nissan Note - Handling? - madcow

As I said car going now. Had enough. When doing tyre pressures yesterday, hubby said that the off side tyre was nearly gone already, pointing out there is a problem with handling. The tracking has been checked. When I had the car back in I am going to point this out. I am so mad with them,

My mum has a Nissan Micra which I drove yesterday, it has the same chassie (spelling) as the note and handled brilliantly. Supurb little car.

Nissan Note - Handling? - Yve

I have a brand new Nissan Note 1.5 diesel and am having exactly the same problem - The steering is exceptionally light and I cannot drive over 40 mph without the car feeling as if you are constantly driving on an icy road surface.

I thought it was just me, but a friend drove my vehicle for me this evening and confirmed that it wasn't my imagination !

I will test the tyre pressure (as recommended) and get it checked by the dealer

Yve

Nissan Note - Handling? - ohsoslow

Hi Yve,

Just asa matter of interest, do you have the 15" or 16" wheels?

My wife's Note has the 16" and is a pleasure to drive. I drove it for a brisk run on country roads last Sunday and quite enjoyed it. It has only done 6000 miles but I shall be watching the tyre wear and tyre presures very closely.

Regards

Nissan Note - Handling? - Ethan Edwards

16 inch wheels. Yes steering is light but acceptable. Sidewinds yes but not more so than the Xsara Picasso it replaced.

I've found the handling whizzing round corners etc to be outstanding. Not up to MX5 standards but better than my old X-Pic by some margin.

Apr 10 purchased new ..now done trouble free 13K miles....on LPG.

Nissan Note - Handling? - peedeetee

i have a 1.6 58 plate note... its on 16" wheels, and i can empathise with both the people who complained about the handling, its not a constant issue and some times its absolutely perfect , however, when it goes wrong it just "feels" bad and loose and generally poor... if anyone has driven an old marina or morris minor, i can liken it to that, still sharp, but really old.

the suspension is firm with little roll for a high sided car and it turns in well, its just that little vagueness that is really upsetting that makes you feel like your constantly in a side wind even if your not, or following a really bad cambered road.

ive checked the tyres, had it back to nissan, bought new tyres and its still the same and nissan, as usual, cannot find a fault... but nissans lack of skill is another matter.

the only thing i can think of is the tyre pressures are wrong, i inflate mine to the manufacturers pressure as stated on the body sticker on the door (and it shows the correct size for my car) and the fronts are 36psi and the rear 32psi... as it doesnt show these in the handbook, maybe there is a more suitable pressure to run on, any suggestions would be appreciated as i dont want to run on over or underinflated tyres for too long as theyre not the cheapest to replace.

Nissan Note - Handling? - ddr

Tyre pressures wont cause this.

Sounds more likely to be track rod ends or faulty steering rack. As you dont mention any clonks or other suspension noises, its probably not a problem related to the loadbearing suspension items (lower arms, anti rollbar links, etc).

Apparently there is also some electronics which change the steering respone based on speed - could this be at fault?

Nissan Note - Handling? - Ethan Edwards

Yes it does have electronically assisted power steering. So an intermitant electrical gremlin sounds quite plausible.

Touch wood at 17K my 10 plate 1.6 ntec auto is still a stonking buy. Very high grin factor. I'm very happy with it.

Nissan Note - Handling? - daveyjp

From my X type experience different tyres can cause severe handling problems. My car was fitted with Pirellis Assimetricos from new, but it started handling very badly.

I found out there was a tech bulletin for possible problems with X type front suspension, mine was checked during a service and all was fine. The front wheels were swapped around and this improved things for a few thousand miles.

At about 13,000 miles the handling went crazy - tramlining and following cambers - at slow speed it would steer towards the kerb and the steering wheel would judder slightly. I took it in for the tyres and suspension to be looked at. On taking off the front wheels the inside block of tread on the both tyres were just legal, the rest of the tyre was at 2.5mm and had even wear. Tyre balance and tracking were fine.

I ordered repalcement tyres and as soon as they were fitted the handling was back to normal.

The replacement tyres were Goodyears and these wore evenly across the whole tread (they only lasted 10,000 miles, but that's another story!). I swapped them again for Pirelli 6000s, handling was fine and tyre wear was even across the tread up to me swapping the car.

This showed to me the bad handling was being caused purely by the tyre choice and this became a vicious circle. Uneven wear was changing the camber setting, which was causing handling problems, the incorrect camber due to tyre wear was causing more tyre wear on the inside edge making the camber worse and this was making handling worse.

So my advice is to check tyre wear and consider another type. If the rear tyres have a lot more tread than the fronts swap them and see if this makes a difference.

Nissan Note - Handling? - avhation

My Note does not instill confidence in a straight line so I'm never tempted to find out how it corners. It steps out of line slightly when the rear wheels pass over a slightly sunken fault in the road such as a drain cover or poorly filled trench.. The dampers seem to be OK - the car has done only 25000 miles in 4 years anyway so they should be fine. I've had the tracking measured - front toe-in was fractionally adjusted from 10' toe out to 5' toe in, rear was not adjustable and was 46' toe out before and after test. I am about to replace the 5th and 6th tyre so I am disappointed with the trye wear rate which is equivalent to about 10,000 miles per set despite gentle use. Until now I have stuck with 185/55 -16V Continental tyres - despite the every high cost - because they were the only brand available at the time of previous replacements. Next I will try one of the cheaper rival brands which at last are available. My 1997 Almera (105,000 miles) feels much more secure and has much lower tyre running cost.

Nissan Note - Handling? - Ethan Edwards

Thats bizarre. My 1.6 is very good. Have you the 1.4 or the diesel? You do have the same trye size / brand as me. Though I am thinking of trying another brand next time.

I'm up to over 21K in just 16 months. Most of that high speed and the rest the twisty bits. Other than a very slight vulnerability to crosswinds due to it being relatively tall I'm quite happy. So much so that when the 3yr HP is up I'm considering buying another one.

Tyre wear....my Conti's have over 21K on them and 5 mil left. You MUST have something SERIOUSLY wrong with your Note if you can only get 10K out of a set of Conti's.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 11/08/2011 at 14:46

Nissan Note - Handling? - madf

- the car has done only 25000 miles in 4 years anyway so they should be fine. I've had the tracking measured - front toe-in was fractionally adjusted from 10' toe out to 5' toe in, rear was not adjustable and was 46' toe out before and after test. I am about to replace the 5th and 6th tyre so I am disappointed with the trye wear rate which is equivalent to about 10,000 miles per set despite gentle .

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Sorry that tracking adjustment is NOT Fractional" ... it's major.

No wonder your tyres wore.

Personally I would re-iterate HJ above: go to a PROPER car fitting centre - eg ATS - and get tracking checked on all 4 wheels. It needs expensive equipment and TRAINED operatives used to doing it.. I would not trust any car dealer to do it correctly...

Nissan Note - Handling? - Ethan Edwards

¦ Sorry that tracking adjustment is NOT Fractional" ... it's major.

And that give the 'comedy handling' that the OP describes?

BTW mine's been fine. I am also very careful indeed not to kerb it or hit any (if I can help it) of the 'major chasms' that pass for potholes round this way.

Nissan Note - Handling? - madf

And that give the 'comedy handling' that the OP describes?

It would certainly affcest handling and tyre wear.

First thing to check when steering goes funny..

Nissan Note - Handling? - 210412

Same here. Rear wheels are fixed alignment and just had them tested independently and found to be out of alignment. Dealer says you can't trust alignment machines as they are set to the tyre garage default. and Nissan know that this is a problem but won't do anything about it. Back to dealer on Thursday only 20K on clock and car is all over place.

Nissan Note - Handling? - madf

Same here. Rear wheels are fixed alignment and just had them tested independently and found to be out of alignment. , Dealer says you can't trust alignment machines as they are set to the tyre garage default. and Nissan know that this is a problem but won't do anything about it. Back to dealer on Thursday only 20K on clock and car is all over place.

There is a technical phrase to describe that comment : risible, rubbish and ridiculous come to mind but male cow excrement is better.

The dealer is not competent and fobbing you off. Find another .

Edited by madf on 22/04/2012 at 17:35

Nissan Note - Handling? - dycecooper
My wife has an 07 Nissan Note, the handling is atrocious, if a rear wheel touches a manhole cover the rear twitches, motorway driving is very unpleasant indeed, the front tyres have outlived the rest tyres yet the rear alignment is not adjustable.
My daughter gets travel sick if she sits in the back of the Note but is OK in other cars.
Nissan Note - Handling? - Fernando P

We have an ex Motability 09 Note which goes very well for us. We don't recognise those descriptions! Our grandchildren don't get sick in the back either.

Nissan Note - Handling? - Barrule

Hi,

Get a laser alignment done more than likely the rear is out of alignment. Don't despair it can be adjusted by the use of adding shims. There is an informative discussion on the Nissan Note Owners Club, paste and go the following

www.noteownersclub.co.uk/forum/rear-wheeltoeout_to...l

It also explains where to get the shims and where they go

Nissan Note - Handling? - Collos25

I wonder if the car still exists 4 years on and if it does has the new owner had it fixed.

Nissan Note - Handling? - daveyK_UK

Find our pool car Note drives and handles brilliantly.

Averages a little over 50mpg which is not bad for a 1.4 petrol that normally has at least 3 occupants on board.

Nissan Note - Handling? - Dabooka

Find our pool car Note drives and handles brilliantly.

Averages a little over 50mpg which is not bad for a 1.4 petrol that normally has at least 3 occupants on board.

That's good, my '58 plate 1.4 reports back about 47-48 with usually just the driver and incorporating A roads or motorway journeys.

Nissan Note - Handling? - Barrule

The message was meant as info for all those people with handling problems not just that individual.

Nissan Note - Handling? - Snakey

Totally different car I know, but I found our 13 plate Zafira to be the same on the motorway. It was so twitchy even in light breezes you felt like you were constantly making corrections.

I found the tyre pressures had been set 2-3 psi too high, which helped a bit but I think its going to be a characteristic of a tall and light car.