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What exactly happens? Can they just not switch the engine off?
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And VW! I've had problems with the throttle pedal sticking down on my 1994 Golf!
I've traced it to the ridiculous mechanism with a cross-shaft under the carpet from where the pedal pivot would be on a left-hand drive Golf to the actual right-hand drive pedal position. A bellcrank on the end of the shaft traps a bit of the moulded carpet. Who designed that, I wonder?
Edited by Sofa Spud on 03/02/2010 at 17:01
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So you mean they never bothered the design be adpated for RHD cars?
But Toyota/Lexus managed to mess up both LHD & RHD versions though.
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I've had problems with the throttle pedal sticking down on my 1994 Golf!I've traced it to the ridiculous mechanism with a cross-shaft under the carpet from where the pedal pivot would be on a left-hand drive Golf to the actual right-hand drive pedal position. A bellcrank on the end of the shaft traps a bit of the moulded carpet.
Open the bonnet, the brake servo is right against the inner wing, the accelerator cable would be under the wing in your world!
Edited by Dox on 03/02/2010 at 17:52
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I don't know. I don't know why "no brakes", either. Perhaps crash investigatorrs might find out.
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They always knew this problem affected non-Toyota badged cars, including the little Citroën C1, Pug and Toyota equivalent. It's a bought-in part used across the range.
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You can switch the engine off, but you need to hold the start button in for three seconds.
Thats not intuative. The problem with the Lexus is the mats cause the throttle to stick. You could lift it up with your foot.
The american ambulance chasing lawyers are trying to claim its software, but they cant prove it.
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Why no brakes
Because with open throttle you have little or no vacuum to power the brake servo.
Vacuum builds when the throttle is closed
With little or no servo assistance, the brakes would not overcome the engine power.
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Slightly off topic but still related -
When Jaguar were developing the V12 engines, a lot of effort was put into the throttle mechanism design because it was known that the brakes would not be able to overcome the driving power from a stuck throttle.
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brakes would not be able to overcome the driving power from a stuck throttle.
What sort of rubbish design is that? I was always under impression that pressing brake will signal ECU to reduce power to engine. Brake should override acceleration under all circumstances!
If that's really the case, the car designers should be hanged.
We always ridicule French cars and put Japanese cars at top league. Didn't expect this from Toyota/Lexus.
Also I am never going to buy an automatic then! In manual at least I can shift to neutral or press clutch.
PS: Could they not shift the lever to N mode?? Or that was stuck too?
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At least Toyota are doing something about the problem, unlike certain other manufacturers I could mention who've never owned up to their cock ups.
The pedal on my old Steinway is a bit stiff, must be the cold weather I think. I wonder if I could blame Toyota for that?
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dont forget this reporting has come from the same source that said we were going to all die from swine flu.
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Wasn't it Mitsubishi who covered up a lot of problems with cars (so we all thought they were reliable) and then they got caught out.
Toyota is doing what is needed. But the long term effect on their ultra reliable image is now tarnished.
Says me who got an oil chance between services on a Mazda diesel on Monday ;-)
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did they?
says he, in an interested manner, who bought a Mitsubishi
Edited by Altea Ego on 03/02/2010 at 20:32
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>You can switch the engine off, but you need to hold the start button in for three seconds.
This is explained on Toyota's UK website. Worth reading for any concerned owners out there. Perhaps they'd also publish the secret method for turning off the engine (when stationary!) without killing the radio at the same time.
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after I have driven through water I dry my brakes by using them and pressing the throttle at the same time. The brakes can easily over come the engine, even in a low gear.
In Bike a few years ago there was a brake article and the brake bloke said that they were the most powerfull part on the bike, 500hp on a MotoGP bike.
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the brakes on a car are more powerful than the engine in relation to their function...so i have been lead to believe
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Mitsubishi covered up a number of defects in their cars in Japan in the late 1990s/early 2000s.
In Japan all defects have to be reported to Government authorities, and a recall is mandatory. Mitsubishi covered these up, and repaired the cars in secret when they came in for service rather than admit anything was wrong.
It's a system that should ensure complete safety of Japanese vehicles, and obviously does not apply here. If Renault had been Japanese the Clio bonnet mullarky would have come to the fore much earlier and Renault would have been punished quite badly for failing to do anything for so long.
Mitsubishi were probably no more guilty than a typical Western manufacturer is routinely when faults crop up, if judged by our more lax standards. But they did it in Japan, and it blew up in their face in spectacular fashion.
These affected commercial vehicles rather than domestic cars, and affected clutches and wheel bearings.
The scandal cost Mitsubishi dearly, and nearly sent the manufacturer under in the end. Executives fell on their swords left, right and centre.
This is the fundamental reason why the like of Toyota tend to recall quickly. If the fault manifests in Japan, it's public domain within weeks. If it's known in Japan, it isn't long before the whole world knows about it. They have to act.
In 2000, a Mitsubishi gearbox was recalled in Japan, and all Mitsubishi cars worldwide were recalled as a result. The problem? It failed if abused in a certain way. Hyundai, Chrysler and a Euro brand that I don't recall also used this part. Their response? Stony silence.
Therein lies the difference. Why Toyota are being caned for this latest recall is mystifying when you know how the system works over there.
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same source that said we were going to all die from swine flu.
Harrumph... small world eh?
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