I wouldn't do it. It's a bit rude IMO.
But not a biggie, and I suppose no-one knows you've done it, so no-one gets annoyed.
Five Hail Marys, my child.
:)
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"I don't see this as queue jumping. In that situation, no-one is waiting their "turn" at something, unlike in the roundabout thread. This situation is more like finding a legitimate short cut."
I see the logic, but selfishness, and see it all the time, but the increased traffic merging on the other side of the junction creates an increased longer tailback. The whole reason the lanes 2-5 remain stationary longer is due to q jumpers like this making a slow moving queue into stationary queue. Its the knock on effect people like this cause. I'm all right Jack and all that.
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There's a delicious opportunity going into LLandudno to use the right turn lane on a roundabout (there's always a humungous 300m queue for straight-on/left) to queue 'jump' - I drive up the completely unobstructed right hand lane & make one circuit of the roundabout to go straight on, by-passing 40+ vehicles. I love it & quite often sing while doing it.
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I have on a few occasions used the option of using the right lane at the end of a dual carriageway and gone all the way around to jump a bit of a queue. Left lane on dual carriageway queuing to go left. It was always at the end of the A34 heading south from Wilmslow.
I also once (due to last years snow in the early part of the year) came off at a junction and round the roundabout and back on. The signs for speed cameras (SPECS) were totally covered/obscured by snow and I was doing 70mph instead of 50mph when I got to the first camera.... came off to delay when I got to the next.
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>>The signs for speed cameras (SPECS) were totally covered/obscured by snow and I was doing 70mph instead of 50mph when I got to the first camera
How did you know the limit was 50, other than you were overtaking everything?
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Because I assumed it was. I saw the SPECS camera and it was motorway. Maybe it wasn't active at the time but I didn't risk it. The "This camera not active" sign may have been hidden too for all I know.
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queue jumping at the bar or meat counter is frowned upon, sat in a metal box makes it OK?
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But this isn't queue jumping in quite the same sense. The road lets you make progress legally and so it's a grey area that calls on some morals etc.
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It really is a grey area.
1-Right hand lane to turn left at roundabout?
2-Off at motorway junction and straight back on?
3-Off at motorway service area and straight back on?
4-Off at motorway junction, along parallel road, back on at next junction?
5-Off at motorway junction, scenic long cut, back on at next junction?
I've done them all in the past. But with a decreasing sense of guilt as you go down the list.
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"queue jumping at the bar or meat counter is frowned upon, sat in a metal box makes it OK?
Driving on quieter/lesser used side roads/Dual carridgeway roundabout loop-de-looping to avoid queues is not comparable to queue jumping on a meat counter. Roads are there for us to use.
What is comparable to queue jumping the meat counter is when someone uses the wrong side of the road to frog-leap the queue like this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8STAa0rlt8&feature=PlayLi...0
1&index=0
!!!Contains swearing so turn your sound off!!!
Edited by rtj70 on 29/01/2010 at 20:57
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On a stretch of M$ from Port Talbot towards Swansea (before they completed the newer section) people used to use the hard shoulder to avoid the queues... police one day were parked up at the end and booked a long stream of cars stuck on the hard shoulder ;-)
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and booked a long stream of cars stuck on the hard shoulder
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>>>>>were they flood damaged then?
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used to do that for years on the m25 heading west joining miles of slip road for woking & going over the roundabout & back on fot the M3. used to save 20+mins in the rush hour
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I once listened to a radio phone in where a caller admitted to using the right hand lane on a roundabout to turn left avoiding the queue in the left lane, he then went on to justify his selfishness by saying the people in the left lane would have less time to wait because he'd queue jumped.................................
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Not sure you quite got the hang of this Dox. If everyone applied your logic, no-one would ever use an alternate route.
If you, for example, find out 'route A' is busy, you may decide to try 'route B' - in doing so you're 'holding up' those people who are using 'route B', simply for your own benefit.
If you'd simply used the more congested 'route A' (left-hand lane in the roundabout case)
you'd have saved those poor souls being held up by your using 'route B' - it wasn't their fault 'route A' was busy was it?
Why is that any different to using right-hand lane & looping the roundabout & turning left/straight-on etc.? It's not is it - by the mere fact of having a vehicle you take up road space, ipso facto, you must 'hold-up' someone, somewhere because of it.
My view is that as long as it's legal (and complies with the HC) & safe, any useful use of road space is sensible & to be encouraged.
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No one expects someone in a right turn only lane to turn left unless they have blues and twos.
Everyman for himself mentality it seems
Drive as you like, but don't make out you're doing it for my benefit
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>>No one expects someone in a right turn only lane to turn left unless they have blues and twos
Nope, still don't get it do you. You don't turn left from the right hand lane & cut across - you go right around the roundabout - then take your desired exit!!
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have blues and twosNope still don't get it do you. You don't turn left from the right hand lane & cut across - you go right around the roundabout - then take your desired exit!!
Read my original post, the kindly individual just turned left, he did'nt go around the roundabout at all...................
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Nope still don't get it do you. You don't turn left from the right hand lane & cut across - you go right around the roundabout - then take your desired exit!!
I'm intrigued now, does the "loop de loop" justify the selfish actions of queue jumping in your eyes? Stopping peoples progress waiting to join the roundabout as you do your 450 degree lap of honour and causing their delays as you go?
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Dox,
Its utilising lanes for good use mate,
A roundabout is circular, its designed for you to "go around" where traffic has to "give way to the right" otherwise it would not be called a roundabout. The idea of a roundabout is to drive round in a circle until you decide on your best exit.
If it was causing major hold-ups then I'm sure the highways or local council would change the lane setup/roundabout if this was causing a major nation-wide problem.
If there was a section under the RTA 1988 that governs "loop-de-looping" as a minor traffic skipping offence which carries out a fine & pentalty then so be it.
Until the RTA 1988 rules out a "queue jumping" offence then I & many other motorists will stop doing it.
There isn't so I rest my case... Your "queue jumping" arguement is just your own moral beleif.
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"A roundabout is circular, its designed for you to "go around" where traffic has to "give way to the right" otherwise it would not be called a roundabout. The idea of a roundabout is to drive round in a circle until you decide on your best exit."
Its more than just driving around in a circle. There is an agreed method for using lanes at roundabouts. You've obviously forgotton and need a refresher course. Mate ;-).
Highway code 184: get into the correct lane.
Also read 186/187
Highway code 188: Avoid making U turns at mini roundabouts.
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Cpt. Flack
"Highway code 188: Avoid making U turns at mini roundabouts"
Doesn't say don't do a U turn on a roundabout.
It says "Avoid" that means try not to, but a roundabout is round & designed to drive round in a circle incase you make a mistake so you can go around to rectify your mistake. Its safer than doing a U turn in the middle of busy 2-way traffic.
Its really not worth clutching the highway code, close to your chest as if its the Church Bible...
We have all passed our tests... we are not doing a driving test... Its not worth reciting passages out of the highway code...
If there is a legal opportunity to do something... Take it!
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Woodbines,
On my journeys as a van driver I have picked up that there are good drivers as well as bad drivers...
Then there are the extrememly sad "Catholic" bible Drivers who are as pathetic as those war-against-the-car cyclists.
Bit like Omnivours -> Vegetarians -> Vegans
I'm not trolling by any means but I really cannot stand badly behaved German-car drivers just as much as those annoying ranting Bible drivers.
Good drivers don't cut lanes or do anything against the law & pose no threat to me or anyone else but you always get those Bible drivers who can find fault & curse even the most well-mannered of drivers. The feel they must study every rule in the highway code by its reference number then recite a rule relating to it whenever someone does so much as innocently change lanes. They feel they always have a driving examiner breathing down their neck all the time. They clutch the Highway code by their chest worse than a priest clutches his/her jesus cross.
-We MUST not use any right hand lanes - they are only for turning right, using a right hand lane to go straight ahead will upset someone, never mind the road markings have twin arrows both pointing forward...
-We MUST not "Loop-de-Loop" at roundabouts on a dual-carridgeway because highway code rule: XXX Says you should avoid U-turns and it will upset people if we do. Never mind that the other drivers aren't really paying that much attention to what we are doing...
-We MUST not take alternative roads to avoid grid-lock, we must rightfully sit in the same traffic jam as them as tuning off will offend someone. Never mind that other drivers won't notice & care about where you go.
If the other people sat in their cars are strangers & aren't a personal friend of mine or is not a family member, I don't really care how long they are sitting in a queue. I am the priority - not them.
Obviously the small-minded race of people who havn't been van drivers or havn't driven a cab in their life are the only ones who persist to argue. If you had things to be multidropping on a time schedule, you won't have time to sit there picking your nose in traffic jams sitting in their traffic queues in an act of kindness. Quite frankly, the other drivers are not going to get out & thank you for sitting in that jam with them, the whole Idea is to get from A-B ASAP. Not dig the wax out of your ears while polluting the environment.
The highway code do-gooders a.k.a "Bible" drivers should be ignored.
Carry on cutting those jams legally just as long as you are not doing anything dangerous or illegal... The law will soon pounce on you if it was...
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Indeed PExP - I did the unforgivable(!) again this Saturday - a '540' on the right turn lane
on the roundabout to go straight on.
Funny thing is - as you say, the left-lane queuers took no notice of me because they didn't even think about the possibility - I was just a 'normal' car approaching from the right on the roundabout when they clocked me.
Oddly enough, if more people did the above, the overall queueing time for everyone would decrease - or maybe not even build up at all - because this particular (tiny) roundabout never has a queue from any other direction - just a great deal of incoming traffic as the main route into town which has a stop-go 'phantom' jam as a result.
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"Carry on cutting those jams legally just as long as you are not doing anything dangerous or illegal... The law will soon pounce on you if it was..."
Yeah and if we all took your advice where would we be. You must get some sort of kick from beating a line of traffic or get off the motorway last minute to save a few seconds. Calm down a little lifes too short as it is. Just chill.
Having said that,I suggest you read the RTA and see whether you're in the right. The fact is the manner in which you drive has a knock on effect. Trying to do a complete U turn in a van on a mini RAB would probably need a bit of toing and froing, or mounting the pavement, thus holding people up, something you would hate if it was done in front of you no doubt.
The HC is not a "Bible" thats right, but it is better to have some guidelines to help things run better. Driving like white van man, "get out my way" I'm on as deadline is wrong. We all want to get from A-B in the quickest time not just you. Bad driving, not just roadworks causes traffic congestion
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>>>If the other people sat in their cars are strangers & aren't a personal friend of mine or is not a family member, I don't really care how long they are sitting in a queue. I am the priority - not them. <<<<
And the last six words of that quote says it all.
It's at the root of the bad driving seen on the roads today.
I queued for 1 hour and 10 minutes on the M11 at J7 southbound yesterday morning to get off at Harlow and go into the town.
It was caused by roadworks just off the motorway on the A414.
The queue started just before the mile markers for the exit and at that stage most of the through traffic in the other two lanes was flowing freely.
It soon became apparent though that the queue wasn't moving because of the large amount of cars who got almost as far as the front a put on a left hand indicator and pushed in to the front of the queue.
As I sat and watched this I began to see cars pulling out of the queue into the middle lane and driving the quarter mile or so up to the front and then trying to barge their way back into the front of the queue.
This, on three occasions, almost caused a multivehicle shunt in the centre lane behind them as traffic came to an abrupt halt because they had managed to get the bonnet pushed in but the rear end was blocking the centre lane.
All credit has to be due to the lorry drivers who anticipated this action and was 'covering' the brake pedal waiting for it to happen.
I was appalled and disgusted at the actions I saw, and the danger it posed to innocent people simply because those few thought they were too important to wait.
It didn't matter to them that those of us in the back of the queue hardly moved at all because of their behaviour.
These must have be the same car drivers who moan continually about lorries holding them up while they overtake each other on a hill, yet when they hold up aother car drivers for over an hour it's perfectly acceptable behaviour.
The M6/A14 Catthorpe junction is another prime example of where this happens on a regular basis and I was dissapointed to find members of the backroom who are happy to boast about doing this.
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> dissapointed to find members of the backroom who are happy to boast about doing this.
If you read the post properly, you will see it was not a happy boast, indeed the post specifically said " Alas, I am not proud of this one ".
the root cause for this one, is the trully appaling design of the Catthorpe Interchange. Without doubt the worse juntion on the whole road network,
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I agree with you about the design and layout AE but not about the morals:)
Not happy to boast? Then you have two choices........either don't do it or don't tell anyone!
Pat
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Honesty is a moral not to be proud of?
tell you what, you pretend you never took 2 miles to ovetake another lorry further up the A14, and I'll pretend I didnt jump in the queue at the Junction.
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Now that's what I call a deal AE!
Pat
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